Wash: Well, I wash my hands of it. It's a hopeless case. I'll read a nice poem at the funeral. Something with imagery. Zoe: You could lock the door and keep the power-hungry maniac at bay. Wash: Oh, no, I'm starting to like this poetry idea now. Here lies my beloved Zoe, my autumn flower, somewhat less attractive now she's all corpsified and gross...

'Shindig'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


sumi - Jan 27, 2004 5:33:56 am PST #3184 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

How is it that in the UK the Spooks/MI-5 folks got away without having any credits at all?

I mean -- don't the British versions of SAG, DGA, etc frown upon that?


Gus - Jan 27, 2004 3:33:39 pm PST #3185 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Sorry to break in. X-Post from Firefly and The Great Write Way...

The editor of the local paper tracked me down via local academia*. She wants an article on the fan effect on TV-On-DVD, and the effect this revenue stream might have on the creative effort. I've read the Cassutt piece. I'm not sure how a background in chemical engineering helps me, here, but I'm thinking of assailing the piece.

In pursuit of this, I'm soliciting the best numbers available for budgets of shows (google helps not). Also, any anecdote of how fans have influenced the production of series DVDs, and how series DVDs might have influenced the production of … anything, in any medium, would be handy. (Profile addy good.)

* She was looking for an "adult fan" of a TV show. My name came up, pretty quickly.

Thanks (Again, for the interuption, sorry.)


Consuela - Jan 27, 2004 3:35:01 pm PST #3186 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Gus, can you be more specific about what you need? I expect the SFS crowd could provide some answers, but I think more detail would be good or we'll just overwhelm you with data.


Gus - Jan 27, 2004 4:07:21 pm PST #3187 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

'Suela: My present thesis is that fans have voted with their dollars via DVD purchases, sending a message of mandate to the creative community. I conjecture that the mandate is being heard.

I want to contrast sales figures of DVDs against by-season production budgets. My assertion is that DVD sales are directly reflective of fan interest (being most valuable in their re-view utility). This is in an effort to assign a numeric value to fan-perceived quality.

The "assignment" to the article is only a few hours old, so I am still floundering around. That's the core, though.


DavidS - Jan 27, 2004 5:23:19 pm PST #3188 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My present thesis is that fans have voted with their dollars via DVD purchases, sending a message of mandate to the creative community. I conjecture that the mandate is being heard.

You might address this on a spectrum of: shows that are hits but do poorly in syndication (like reality shows); shows that succeed in syndication but don't generate huge DVD sales (most comedies I'd guess, like Friends) and shows that people want to own and rewatch (quality drama like Homicide, The Sopranos, and genre like Buffy, Firefly, Star Trek). Just from an economic perspective I'm thinking about having that longevity is the music equivalent of having Van Morrison in your catalog - it's just always going to sell for the next thirty years.


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2004 5:57:21 pm PST #3189 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

shows that succeed in syndication but don't generate huge DVD sales (most comedies I'd guess, like Friends)

I was under the assumption that DVD sales were not targeted for these markets -- they key is to get them into high syndication rotation, and DVD sales cut into that. I wonder what the DVD sales are like in markets where they don't syndicate.


bon bon - Jan 27, 2004 6:02:27 pm PST #3190 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

'Suela: My present thesis is that fans have voted with their dollars via DVD purchases, sending a message of mandate to the creative community. I conjecture that the mandate is being heard.

You know of the example of Family Guy, right? Anyway, in making sure I remembered right, I came across this which may offer some perspectives.


Dana - Jan 27, 2004 6:34:31 pm PST #3191 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

CNN just had an article about shows that get a new life on DVD, didn't they?


Gus - Jan 27, 2004 7:36:34 pm PST #3192 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Thanks, ita, for that red herring. I could not find a market in which Friends was not syndicated.

Shawn: Thanks for the link. The quote …

What this signals is that Nielsens are becoming an ever-less-reliable measure of how popular a TV show really is."

… is going to be in the article, by hook or by crook.

DavidS: Fan respect for quality (regardless of genre) is a key point. I'm feeling that connecting this notion up with the notion of financial benefits for networks/DVD producers is the Good that this piece might do.

(Dana, Thanks. I tracked that sucker down.)


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2004 7:54:09 pm PST #3193 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

ita, for that red herring. I could not find a market in which Friends was not syndicated.

You couldn't find a US market. The reason you can buy DVDs so much earlier in the UK is because they have no syndication to protect.

It's why I got the region-free DVD player.

Well, not for Friends. For Buffy, which followed the same market wisdom.