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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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NoiseDesign - Apr 09, 2004 3:35:16 pm PDT #9818 of 10005
Our wings are not tired

Actually what's going on in M'verse with regards to distributing copies of the DVD's is a little different than when come back bring tape. I also made an offer of similar in F2F, and then deleted the offer.

Here's the deal, since they are originating on DVD it falls under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which criminalizes any attempt to, or use of technology to defeat copy protection. DVD's are encoded and as such copy protected. The feds have been coming down on folks for this infraction.

Also, there was discussion of charging for materials, that should also be deleted to protect b.org. I've been involved in some copyright suits, they are no fun, and a move to even start to bring one against b.org would shut us down financially.


P.M. Marc - Apr 09, 2004 3:56:59 pm PDT #9819 of 10005
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Actually what's going on in M'verse with regards to distributing copies of the DVD's is a little different than when come back bring tape. I also made an offer of similar in F2F, and then deleted the offer.

The post I was talking about, which was the one to which Hec, etc. were referring to, was just a request for the aired episodes with an "I'll pay for materials" tacked on.

Which, you know, is iffy. But I still the clarification stands.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2004 3:59:53 pm PDT #9820 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The post I was talking about, which was the one to which Hec, etc. were referring to, was just a request for the aired episodes with an "I'll pay for materials" tacked on.

I thought he was charging for DVD burns. Still, it's good to be reminded that one copyright suit and b.org would be gone like Fred's innards. [Angel spoiler whited out]


NoiseDesign - Apr 09, 2004 4:02:12 pm PDT #9821 of 10005
Our wings are not tired

There was a sep item going on in there with the unaired eps. Some folks buying the press kit and then charging around $1.50 to cover costs to duplicate the DVD's of the unaired eps and distribute them. That the discussion that hits the danger zone. It's really the $1.50 charge that puts it completely into the red zone. As soon as money is exchanged it gets really ugly.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2004 4:05:04 pm PDT #9822 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think at the very least we can insist that people take that kind of discussion to private email.

Maybe a disclaimer to that effect as well.


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2004 4:07:51 pm PDT #9823 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can you link, ND? I missed those too. I remember people offering to pay, but no one asking.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2004 4:08:12 pm PDT #9824 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

By the way...

Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION? (39%)

has taken a commanding lead. I think that's the next thread title.


NoiseDesign - Apr 09, 2004 4:10:11 pm PDT #9825 of 10005
Our wings are not tired

Here's the message that triggered my warning bells.

Number_6 "The Minearverse 2: Getting his words out." Apr 8, 2004 9:00:26 pm PDT


§ ita § - Apr 09, 2004 4:14:15 pm PDT #9826 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh. I had just thought that was expenses, but it's been forever since I bought DVDRs.

Key, I think is being clear that while we don't encourage illegal posting/actions, only the poster is responsible for each post's contents. If we start monitoring to see what's legal, then we are assuming responsibility and it would seem liability.

So while we might give it a shot, I think we need to be firm on pointing litigators to people, not the collective.


NoiseDesign - Apr 09, 2004 4:18:35 pm PDT #9827 of 10005
Our wings are not tired

The lawyers among us may be able to shed some light on this, but I know recently what I've seen with these kinds of fights the trend has been to name everyone, which would include Buffistas.org, as well as our hosting company, and whatever company they are getting their bandwidth from. It's been the shotgun approach, hit everyone with both barrels to try to shut as much down by fear as possible.

It was parsed in such a was as to be recovering expenses, but it was still paying for an exchange of copyrighted goods.