someone please Nilly the requirements.

If it has enough seconds, get a Stompy to open Lightbulbs and please keep all discussions on the merits for and against a politics thread there,

Aimee, since you proposed it, you need to work out the wording for the first post in Lightbulbs and make a post in Press linking to the begining of the discussion in Lightbulbs, or work with a Stompy to do it.

David, it's been done, no need to discuss the merits of doing it or not.

Rafnum, your are welcome. if you have any procedural questions, you can also email me since things are not unlike a whirlwind in here and you may feel like a lightening rod at the moment.

I am off for the night food to eat and events to attend. Be well.

So at this point, Lightbulbs needs to be opened?

Christ, it's been so long.

Jon? Do we just put the proposal up in press, and open lightbulb at this point?

So at this point, Lightbulbs needs to be opened?

Yup. Let's bulb.

Four seconds, right. My bad. I was probably thinking 4 included the proposer, but it doesn't.

I think with Susan's second there are four anyway.

Oh, dear lord. That is all.

Aurelia, etc., I'd be interested in being on a Chicagoista list. My understanding is that the Stompies can set it up. Does it need a list-owner or whatever? I'll be back to regular internet access next week so I can do it if needed, but if someone else wants to I'm happy with that as well.

Aurelia, etc., I'd be interested in being on a Chicagoista list. My understanding is that the Stompies can set it up. Does it need a list-owner or whatever? I'll be back to regular internet access next week so I can do it if needed, but if someone else wants to I'm happy with that as well.

Yep, I just found out it is a Stompie set-up thing, and yes it will need an owner. I'd be willing, but I spend 2 months of the year out of state with questionable access.

I'm trying to get the ball rolling for a midwest F2F gathering. Gus is willing to collect addresses, but he is starting from scratch. I was hoping to save him the trouble if there is an easier way. Suggestions? I'm afraid any discussion will get lost in Natter or the official F2F thread.

I've been thinking about the social capital/pecking order metaphors all day, and I've come up with a few thoughts I wanted to share...

I think it's important to remember that they are all just metaphors, and should never be taken too literally, nor should we get too bogged down in discussing minutae of those metaphors. That is how people wind up eating their menus instead of their meals, or trying to build a house on their map, instead of in their territory.

Both metaphors break down under scrutiny, even though they are both apt. While the concept of social capital can be applied to our interactions, it breaks down when you realize that people who have supposedly expended large amounts of social capital in one incident or another have not (that I've seen) had their standing raised or lowered permanently, or significantly changed others opinions of them.

The pecking order metaphor doesn't quite work either, in the sense that I challenge anybody to present any kind of acurate heirarchy of the board. If there is a pecking order here, it's horizontal, not vertical - there is no king or queen of the mountain.

I'm not entirely sure what my ultimate point in all this is. I think I had one, or something like it, but it seems to have degenerated into a list of thoughts. So, I'll just put them out there and see what, if any, comments they draw.

Sean perhaps—and I think this is what Hec was touching on before—you were explaining all that, because people were objecting to the term "social capital" as if it were a device being employed by Buffistas, as an option, when in fact, what Hec (and you) was (were) trying to explain that it isn't an artificial thing, but rather it is just a description for a phenomenon organic to groups/societies.

(Lookitthattherebullshitrunonsentence!)

I, for one, have significantly changed my feelings about various people over time of seeing them post, for better and for worse. For the record, and speaking for myself only.

or significantly changed others opinions of them.

I, for one, have significantly changed my feelings about various people over time of seeing them post, for better and for worse.

After I typed that I realized I was probably wrong, though that doesn't make the metaphor any more real.