Thanks for posting that bicyclops.

She accepts that she just doesn't fit here.

I think that sums it up. I'm not convinced we did anything wrong.

bicyclops, thanks for posting that.

How could I like posting here in any form if I really hated David, Plei and ita,

I have a point here, and it kind of relates to tone. For a long time I was absolutely convinced ita hated me, because it seemed to me like she challenged everything I said in an abrasive way. And it was a factor when I decided to cut waaaay back on the time I spent here a few years back.

I finally figured out that she pretty much challenges everyone in about the same tone, but it took me a while to get there.

(And ita, if you do hate me, please don't let me know, for that would make me cry. Thank you.)

And I agree that there is tone online, and also that it's better to ask "I'm sorry, did you mean _____?" before assuming someone meant _______.

Wasn't in response to you.

Ah, good to see that it was just my late-night crack smoking. Sorry for the feather-ruffling.

Wasn't in response to you.

Who was it in response to?

Karl, bebe, I'm so happy to see you. Even if a kerfuffle had to bring you out.

bicyclops, thank you.

I would like to reiterate a position that a lot of people have taken: that we do not slap down newbies willy-nilly. A lot of people have delurked and fit in just fine without a belly-flop in the guac. Some people have delurked straight into the guac, some people have hung about for a bit and tripped over the guac, and some people have set up the damned party and still managed to get guac all over their dress recently.

Yes, we as a group are less able to understand people we do not know, and yes, I think the burden of fitting in lies mostly on the new person. And yes, I think we could all benefit from taking a moment to think every time we post. But it ain't always gonna happen.

The incident that seems to have set this off is one of about 5 that has occured over the life of this board. Considering the number of people out there on the vast Interweb and the culture of this board (I'm including the culture as it was in The Good Old Days), I think it's a pretty good ratio.

Ah, good to see that it was just my late-night crack smoking.

If you don't bring enough to share with the entire group....

If you don't bring enough to share with the entire group....

See, I don't think of this so much as monkey-grooming as lemur-grooming.

Hey, are you implying that we crack-smokers are somehow less evolved? Huh? Wanna take this outside?

Wanna take this outside?

Is that in the Hard Day's Night sense, or the George Michael sense?

Hey, are you implying that we crack-smokers are somehow less evolved? Huh?

Nah. That's actually a minor hotbutton issue for me, because it gets applied to monotremes too. That a species has been around for longer doesn't mean that it's less evolved. If it's still around, then it's sufficiently well adapted to its environment and all that.

Lemurs are (IIRC) less intelligent than monkeys, though evolution is just as likely to make a population less intelligent than more. (Big spicy brains are expensive. If they're not pulling their weight, then they're just zombie magnets.)

Anyway. This is all obviously an inappropriate response and bringing the tone down, I just had to defend my beloved echidnas millipede-totin' lemurs.

bt, I have a hard time with the notion that lemurs are -ever- inappropriate.

eta: juliana, you're a sweetheart. Congratulations on your engagement.

t /natter