I'm sorry if I misattributed posts or positions. I wish you all well. I can't do this any more.

Yet when a poster comes forward and explains that there is a problem in their opinion, a few others do backflips to try to demonstrate that no problem exists.

I'm really trying to stay out of this, but I have to take issue with this assertion, as it flat out accuses anybody here who doesn't agree there's a problem, of perfidy and obfuscation, which is a) patently ridiculous, and b) a little insulting.

Excuse me?

Beverly, rafmun said upthread that some people are selfish and don't have interest in the board health in general, I think this is what Shawn is talking about.

(psst, Teppy, it's "Kiwanian". Unless grandpa's been lying about it all these years.)

His post in Natter, to ask for directions, does not constitute in my mind, a member of the community.

I think his registering on the site qualifies him as a member, and gives him the right to post his opinion where ever he wants, including this thread. I really, really haven't agreed with most of his opinions, and I've been trying not to take offense at comments about a subset of people that I think I might be a part of, but I'll defend his right to post his mind here just like anyone else's.

Previous to voting, that's also how we came up with our consensus decisions.

The problem with this (and I think it's very similar to the deathmatch thing) is bullshit consensus of whoever's around at the moment. If four people are posting at one time and three of them agree, that says nothing about The Will of the Board. This is exactly why we have these long, drawn-out procedures -- so as many people as possible can participate, and we aren't flying off the handle.

Ack! Bev! I didn't want you to feel attacked! I just wanted to be clear.

it's perfectly legitimate for Buffista A to come into this thread and say that Buffista B is being insensitive and could someone please ask him/her to stop it, without saying Buffista B needs to be Warned.

of course they can, that is why the procedure that was voted on and approved says "action" instead of warning. I apologize for the confusion.

And Rafmun didn't ever called people assholes (if memory serves). Perhaps that is what was read and perhaps that is what was meant, but for me at least, the using of such words takes the discussion to a much more hostile place.

I don't agree with how Rafmun has been progressing the discussion. I think it is too vague, I think it ignores the possibility that this is what a minority opinion feels like sometimes, and I think that the support given to people here today has been discounted.

Oh, and the warning procedure doesn't even take a "popularity contest" -- it just takes 10 people to agree with you that someone crossed the line. Doesn't matter if 900 disagree.

(psst, Teppy, it's "Kiwanian". Unless grandpa's been lying about it all these years.)

Damn! I knew I shoulda joined more groups....