Is there a way to resolve this in which all parties will feel equally heard and counted and that will lead to resolution?

There's always my method of not caring very much about things like this.

I find vodka helps.

I guess I don't understand the objection to the deathmatch postings. It's like having a company bulletin board and complaining about postings for the company bowling league. Sure, not everyone is going to try out for it, but the information has to be available for all

It's the same with deathmatches. They're the bowling league of the buffistas. Only the bowling league here accepts drop-by members who want to casually drop in from time to time.

It's a general announcement thread.

One question, are F2F events not posted there? If not, do we have to subscribe to the f2f discussion just to find that info?

I guess I kind of like the big message board approach for Press.

in fact, Press is more like the official company bulletin board, wheras Beep Me is more like one might find in the employee lounge.

Of course, I've been in companies that have a neat, tidy official bulletin board with extreme restrictions on content. I like the companies with the messier ones. It shows that the company is a little more "human," and you feel more at home.

YEMV.

There's always my method of not caring very much about things like this.

This is usually me. Except not caring very much seems actually to be a side in this discussion, so, I into-ed the fray. If that makes sense. Well, and I guess even if it doesn't. All your paralyzed with not caring very much are belong to me.

I find vodka helps.

I find this to be true often.

I'm not that particular about what goes into Press. So long as it's not really absurdly petty, I'm fine with it. And upon reflection I don't even have an opinion about the Deathmatches. One or two posts per day end up in Press, and I think that's fine.

YReactionMV.

As it is, it's hard for me to get up in

this.

My guess is less than half of what is posted in press is of interest to me. I am making a choice to venture into any thread, I hope to find posts/discussions in those threads I want to read and/or join. Sometimes I do, sometimes not.

I do not think that the way Press is being used is a problem, not the deathmatch announcements, not the single posts that are not board related at all. They are all announcements, they may be of interest to someone. If one person was posting daily about topics of seemingly no interest to any population on the board, that would be a problem.

embrace the skim. 1-2 minutes max.

Recently, I've tried to stay out of most of these board policy discussions, mostly because the longer I hang out here the more I realize how little time I've hung out here. But, FWIW, here's my two cents.

I don't think Press has been abused. I think there is always going to be some confusion about what's appropriate for each thread and some of that's going to depend on who is posting or what it's about.

Examples:
Important: a Stompy posts that he/she is going to go grey for a week.
NSM: Newbista who's been here a week posts that he/she is going to go grey for a weekend.

Important: Plans for a group of DC/Baltimoristas to get together for a BBQ.
NSM: Plans for two Buffistas to call each other during this week's Everwood.

I'm in agreement with the folks who don't want to see this become a huge issue. I also think that if a person feels that any particular Buffista's posts don't rise to the level of "community announcements" then that person should email the Stompies and let them decide whether to send a polite email to the Buffista who's posting about his/her coffee breaks and manicures and politely ask him/her to stop it.

Granted, I was not around for TT or WX or the setup of this board, and I may be missing a lot of the reasons why those threads were created, so feel free to disregard this post. But as a regular Buffistas.org addict user, I have not felt those thread usages need review right now.

I've always seen Press as just that, a version of the want ad section of a newspaper. Beep Me has always struck me as the more personal version--heck, the Personals section. The other good analogy for Press is a table or something you have in your house where whomever gets home first drops the mail that was in the mailbox. You look through the pile, see if there's anything for you, and you ignore the rest.

You look through the pile, see if there's anything for you, and you ignore the rest.

This is why every flat surface in my house looks like a paper recycling plant. And not in a good way.

I've always seen Press as just that, a version of the want ad section of a newspaper. Beep Me has always struck me as the more personal version--heck, the Personals section.

I guess I get stuck on why we have it in the first place, the whole "area where you put things so you don't have to put them in all the threads" thing. I mean, there will always be things that sort of slide into the area of "wow, that's so not press-worthy" by my litmus test, and I know my litmus test means 99% of what I'd think about posting there, I wouldn't. I know for other people, that's not so. And I'll admit, the political content in a couple, those made me really uncomfortable.

Wolfram's examples, they're good ones. And his last NSM? Funny.

The last political thing was about observers in El Salvador being detained. And it turned out that a Buffista had a friend in El Salvador who was an election observer, and did not know about this and was glad for the information. So it seems that posting that was a useful thing. Would it have been spotted in Natter by the relevent person? Maybe, maybe not. Certainly passes the "important" test. Maybe it does not pass the 100% agree with every word test. But I'm pretty sure the 100% agree with every word test is not one of the criteria for press.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure it really was particularly controversial. Certainly being against the detention of election observers is not really a left/right issue. Nor do I think many would argue that the U.S. government has no significant influence over the behavior of the Salvadoran government. But as I said, even if someone found one of these two positions controversial, don't think it rules out posting information of this sort in press, when there is something urgent to do.