Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


msbelle - Mar 16, 2004 9:06:43 am PST #7449 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I really don't think it will take out the spontinaity.

The way I see it:

Most ideas for gifts of kindness started with one person emailing their address book. That may still happen for small community specific things, but for whole community things, or things that the organizer wants to be fully inclusive, they could now email Nilly or Deena for a full email list.

They could remove the secret giftees info and send out the email. It would appear the same to anyone receiving the email. What it would save is a few people feeling left out.

It seems that feeling left out is a fairly common thing on the boards, why not do something that would eleviate it a little?


§ ita § - Mar 16, 2004 9:09:24 am PST #7450 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying don't do it. I'm just leery of it, is all.


Trudy Booth - Mar 16, 2004 9:17:00 am PST #7451 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

How about you manage it, and let me have a copy so that we have backup?

Which also works in case we are surprising one of YOU!

As far as killing spontainaiety, I can see the concern... but I'm agreeing with msbelle. It's a bummer to feel left out and it can cause bad anti-cliquey feelings.


DavidS - Mar 16, 2004 9:17:44 am PST #7452 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think it's okay. I've started a few campaigns, and as noted by msbelle I just grab nearby email addresses out of my inbox. I do ask people to send the message along, but most of these things have been for relatively cheap items (skulls, knives...you know, things Buffistas like) and so by the time 20 people chip in with $10 each its done in a day.

I do love the spontaneous giftie impulses that have provided rent relief, and travel money and cookies for folks in hard times. For the fund gathering though, it wouldn't be bad to have an opt-in list.

It would all start the same way, intiated by one person, just asking to use the Giftie List minus the gift-recipient, and it would still be informal. It'd just be a more inclusive mailing list.

As long as there are no committees and the solicitations are fairly simple and straightforward I think it would be okay.


Astarte - Mar 16, 2004 9:18:53 am PST #7453 of 10005
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

Just the one time is enough


Astarte - Mar 16, 2004 9:19:20 am PST #7454 of 10005
Not having has never been the thing I've regretted most in my life. Not trying is.

Also, keep in mind this is not codified as THE ONLY WAYS BUFFISTAS WILL DO NICE THINGS FOR EACH OTHER.

If a small group of friends wants to get together to treat another friend, that's grand. In many cases, a huge group of participants isn't necessary and could even be unwieldy.

YGenorosityMV.


JenP - Mar 16, 2004 9:35:33 am PST #7455 of 10005

The reason I thought this sort of thing could be good was because it's another way to let people become part of this 'us' - I was thinking more about relatively new posters, or posters who participate in only a few threads, or only occasionally - who are less likely to be in other people's e-mails addresses-books.

Being one of those folks who fits parts of this description, this is why I love the idea. And ...

If a small group of friends wants to get together to treat another friend, that's grand.

Most ideas for gifts of kindness started with one person emailing their address book. That may still happen for small community specific things

I bet this will still happen as it always has, which is great and special.


Liese S. - Mar 16, 2004 9:43:34 am PST #7456 of 10005
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I'm with ita and burrell. I don't always know about the nifty gift giving, but I do sometimes. And I kinda feel ooky about a maintained database specifically for funds related stuff that's not board related. Especially one that solicits right off the bat with registration. And also one that gets given out to whomever asks for it. What if we get a request from someone we don't all corporately know? Would there be a risk for Buffista addresses to end up on spam lists? 'Cause I got an account seriously spammed during the Yahoo list phase. And the address I have up now is a real honest-to-goodness address and not a spam account, cause we have control of the boards, and I have some knowledge of how it's going to be used. Which isn't protection, I know, but a maintained database, especially one that includes addresses not listed here, makes me a little edgy.


Liese S. - Mar 16, 2004 9:45:40 am PST #7457 of 10005
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

And also about the names, I definitely didn't mean that we had such a tradition now, just that it was part of our heritage, and we have some relics from it. I think we fairly specifically didn't add it to our faqs, etc., cause it's not a part of our board culture now. And also many of us who were formerly Real Name, Esq., have edited now, cause of all the scary internet people.


Beverly - Mar 16, 2004 9:47:05 am PST #7458 of 10005
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Also, being included in most of the emails will give those of us without a reliable income a way to contribute when we can, even if we can't every time.