I'm with Allyson and with askye and the rest. I prefer a simpler document rather than a longer filk version. It won't save us from trolls, but it will make it easier for people who do want to be One of Us to get it.

This famous quote comes to mind, “I can’t define pornography, but I know what it is when I see it.” I don’t think we can define inappropriate un-Buffistalike behavior, but we really do know it when we see it. Reading the FAQ and the Etiquette pages will not change a jerk into a personable Buffista. Most people will just leave if this place does not suit their needs or fit their personality. For those who do not have the good sense to leave a place where they clearly do not fit in, we are establishing procedures to cluestick them.

Fay, there's benefit of the doubt, and then there's closing your eyes, blocking your ears, and coddling the deranged kid who is running around biting the other kids, and telling the bitten to suck it up, because Little Johnny has ADD and his dad drinks.

There's leeway, and then there's the point where maybe lil Johnny needs to be moved to the special school, because this one doesn't have the resources to handle Johnny's issues.

Also, to catch up with the xposts that result from doing laundry at the same time as posting...

I Totally Agree with Allyson that it is painfully obvious in short order when we have a real problem and it would benefit the community to deal with it quickly.

I Totally Agree with Allyson that it is painfully obvious in short order when we have a real problem and it would benefit the community to deal with it quickly.

I have to concede what is painfully obvious to some, is not so much to others. And it's kind of difficult, and makes me look snooty to constantly say, "Yeah, that happened at the Bronze four years ago. Cut the fucking cord before it gets out of hand."

Because, as Fay says, benefit of doubt. My tolerance is lower, i realize.

As an unrepentant kumbayaer myself I think it's better to discuss a banning pretty thoroughly before it's done-- particularly in ambiguous situations.

It's a bitch but it's, imho, ultimately worth doing.

I'd like Julie's post added to the end of the etiquette page, not because I think we need it, but because it states so beautifully what we're about.

I don't think we need more codified rules, I think we need a more codified process for enforcing them, and I think the proposal in Light Bulbs will help up immensely with that if it passes.

The trouble isn't recognizing trolls, it's doing something about it right away instead of waiting for the problem to solve itself.

It's a bitch but it's, imho, ultimately worth doing.

I disagree. It tears the board apart.

I disagree. It tears the board apart.

I'm totally with Allyson on this one.

Strangely enough, this worked well in a room full of rappers, bikers, punks, artsy types and assorted others who were all drinking heavily at 3 p.m. on a Sunday. Only ever had to have two people hauled out and beaten.

I t heart Victor

Hmm. This is probably obvious, but I cast my lot with Trudy and Fay. Although I hate "kumbayah" as a song and would prefer something different. Maybe David Wilcox?

I didn't join the other side, the battle lines just disappeared...