I was against banings being posted in Press, but I am not coming up with a good way to articulate my reason why. Something along the lines of - if it is a concern to a member they are going to find out it happened. It just seems enough to me to cover it in Bureaucracy. Like one place to keep the unpleasantness. I had a good reason at one point, but I forgot what it was.

What Laura said.

I work with lawyers and I think Wolfram posts like one. I can see how it could sound terse or ascerbic or something but I think he's made it clear that there is no nasty intent.

What can I say, it's true. I'm pretty faceless right now, and I'm going to make more of an effort to change that, or less of an effort to change other things.

Fwiw, sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't agree with you, but I think you're a valuable member of the community. I don't want to be in a place where everyone has the same opinions on everything.

Had I virtual chocolate chip cookies, I would be offering them around right now.

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Also? What Deena says. Yes. That. And I guess it's true that you tend to post (when I've happened along at the same time as you) in a somewhat distanced/professional/abstract style - which may well be the source of the jarring that there's been. Just that people don't feel like they know you you all that well. Maybe.

But, y'know - I'm a middleclass Brit. We're big on that whole 'reserved' thing.

Wow.

So, um...yeah. Wow.

Hugs to the stompies and everyone caught in the crossfire.

Dana took the words right off my fingertips...

If Jon B advocates a change, say, preferential voting (I think i can joke about this now, Jon. If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll change it)

Just so's you know -- not offended. I've joked about it here myself on several occasions. I probably spent more social capital on Prfffffl than I should have, but learned a lot.

change isn't really a popular thing around here.

This being the most important lesson.

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I probably spent more social capital on Prfffffl than I should have

Hey, look, everyone, the shock treatments worked! Jon can't even say the words anymore!!

Nah, seriously, I hope that suggestions are always welcome around here -- but tone is just so damned important. And I think that's sometimes a little less obvious around here than it is in a lot of places online, just because we are so closely knit, and so many of us know each other IRL. We do hear the tones of voices in a lot of people's posts, and when we can't "hear" someone that way, that's jarring in itself.

So, Wolf (although you're probably gone), I'm chiming in with another round of What Deena Said. I'd much rather get to know you better and learn to hear you as you intend than get annoyed that That Lawyer Guy Is Being Argumentative Again. And I'll admit I've thought the latter at times in the past.

Just FYI, our back-up boards on WorldCrossing and PeoplesForum are also Buffista Zones, and are subject to the same etiquette rules as the Phoenix.

As suggested, I added this to the short-etiquette page.

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oooh, cookies!

And I'm in favor of posting the suspension/banning in Press, so everyone knows, and there the matter will rest.