What I labled "bitching" was complaining about even having to vote about something which was a) settled some time ago and b) in favor of the complainer

That wasn't bitching. That was me pointing out that it became a Big Huge Deal despite the fact that the thing we were arguing about was common and widely-broadcast knowledge, so what do we think will happen in the future with less commonly-known or widely-broadcast facts? Step back, Trudy.

If we're going to get rid of Spoilage Lite, then we have to be able to whitefont in the main thread. Which, IIRC, we used to do before Spoilage Lite.

For example, "Two to Go." Anyone who saw the flaying of Warren and heard Willow say, "One down," would figure out that Willow would be after Jonathan and Andrew in the next ep. The title confirms the assumption.

But if you didn't know that, the title could also refer to the fact that there were only two more episodes to go in the season.

Buffy fighting a VAMPIRE???

Coulda just been some lame human dude named "Dracula" -- you don't know.

There's no prohibition against mentioning the writers in the FAQ, only episode titles. It's not a spoiler, and mentioning the writers is not a broadening of current spoiler policy.

Wait wait wait wait wait... what about the hue and cry about the legitimacy and provenance of the FAQ?

That doesn't make any sense -- because that's basically what Cindy said.

I seem to remember some spoiler warning about the episode title for "The Body" before it aired. But I could be mis-remembering.

Of course, to be fair I knew approximately how long Faith was going to be around for, and you can make guesses from that (the chance that Faith was going to leave LA with Angelus still running around was greater than zero but not very high).

Ahh, but you only knew that because a) you knew that Faith would be around and b) Faith would leave LA (i.e. not buy the farm). The titles of the eps alone wouldn't have told you that - you inferred from other plot points you did know.

If you didn't know Faith was going to Sunnydale, Players could easily have referred to, say, Angelus and Vamp!Faith on a rampage together (and oh wouldn't that have been fun).

See, this is what honesty gets you. I would've guessed that Players was the transition point anyway, FWIW.

We could always do a poll (but with the voting mechanism, not Mr. Poll - which can be fixed) to determine how many folks feel episode titles should be allowed in NAFDA.

It doesn't have to be a ballot. We could just get a feel for how the community thinks of items like these.

We're not allowed to white font in NAFDA. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is against the policy.

Yes, because we had two different spoiler threads. It was my understanding that we were debating how the policy would change due to the elimination of Spoilage Lite.

I think that when Spoilers lite was created, we went to the no white font policy in the main thread. White font abounded before.

FWIW, I haven't heard anyone object to white fonting in the thread. I think people are arguing at cross purposes-- some thinking that since there is no white font allowed, we can't mention episode titles at all, and others asking us to PLEASE white font (not please don't mention at all)

Well, the reasoning behind no white font in the NAFDA thread had something to do with the ineffectiveness of white font with some people's computer system thingies.

I don't care about the episode titles. I never use them until after the episode airs. I can totally see how somebody would consider "Buffy vs. Dracula" spoily, however, since that character had never been on the show and it introduces an element of the larger vamp mythos into the Jossiverse.

I have at times felt a little uncomfortable with the level of authority granted to the original proposer.

Yeah, but in our early fumblings with the process it became very clear very early that creating a ballot by consensus was PURE MADNESS, really unwieldy and ugly. Everybody rather gratefully jumped on the notion that the proposer craft the final ballot. And to be honest, every proposer I've seen so far has responsibly considered the arguments offerred in Lightbulb to craft the ballot which most likely reflects the community will.

I think closing Spoiler Lite for Angel has turned out to be a mistake.