How about: "Due to repeated violations of site ettiquette, the user Zoe Ann has been banned from the site. For procedural details, see the ettiquette page and the Bureaucracy thread."

I'm going to lunch.

Okay I just realized I confused Press with Beep me. But the sentiment is still the same. Let's not publicize her name for any reason.

In Hebrew there's an expression - "let his/her name be erased and forgotten"

Exactly. Thanks.

Wolfram, I've been reading the exchange that is going and I am having a hard time putting my finger on exactly what I want to say, so I'm going to bumble along.

On a non-techonological level, this space is entirely built on the relationships we have with each other. Those of us who have been here a bit have spent a lot of time cultivating those relationships. We've gained a certain amount of social capital because we've spent time on those relationships.

We use our social capital to Make Friends and Influence Decisions, but also lose some when we start fights. I expended some social capital when i was pissed about preferential voting and I needed to spend sometime repairing relationships.

I can use my social capital to gently chide my friends. For example, I was upset about Allyson's use of "subhuman" and I let her know it. And I'm assuming it didn't piss her off too much because we're still friends.

When someone who doesn't have that same relationship history comes in and questions how things are done, it's unsettling and upsetting. Those relationships aren't developed enough to draw on the social capital, because one doesn't have enough in the bank yet. Nor does one have the same number and the same type of advocates.

In a group run on relationships, the flip side to social currency is advocates. When people advocate for me, they go to bat for me. Time put in can mean many advocates, (or if you're a phenomenal ass as I am occasionally, many enemies). how you use your advocacy is also effects your social currency. If I'm always advocating for the person that everyone else has given up on, then I can expect the next time I do it, that it will be viewed with less validity.

Because we run on those relationships, things aren't always transparently fair. (Plus, since I work with middle school kids, fair is a horrible hot button word for me). Moreover, I'm not sure we always aim for fair.

Blah blah blah.

Still thinking about this and still unclear.

When you've set off my trigger, it's because my sense is that you don't yet know the landscape of why we do things and what it means and how much thought we have put into these things. And, for me, how much social capital I had to expend in order to try to get things that way.

If you want us to change, then build those relationships (Bureaucracy fwiw tends to be the thread where people lose capital and not gain it).

Also, thread speed in here aside, most people aren't for more governance and certainly are for much less change. People who are perceived as prochange will have a hard time at it. (Pure speculation on my part)

I have the same feeling as Laura about posting the banning. It's an administrative--in the meaning of the running of the board, not in the meaning of action-of-stompies--matter. It isn't really news, as Buffistas define news. It should stay here. If anyone is interested in the outcome, they can ask, or really, they should know where to look.

Okay, and having read the last half-dozen posts, I'm reversing my opinion. At this juncture, Dana speaks for me.

I think the advantage of posting in Press is that it's a discussion-free thread, and therefore very low traffic. We've had several x-post filled repeats of "is she banned" "yes, she's banned" in here this morning, and it certainly isn't because people don't care to read. The traffic in here gets high when there's an uproar going on, and it's way too easy to miss an announcement.

Thank you, Amych -- that's exactly it.

I think the fastest way to stop talking about her is to announce that she's gone.

"let his/her name be erased and forgotten".

I dunno. Any oldschool Bronzers forget about Kirbyclause or Big Boy? How about Geo, or Jono?

These are the spooky campfire stories that are part of our culture and history, I want them not to be forgotten. Dealing with the above individuals over the years in fandom is how some of us spotted exactly what Zoe was, so fast, and wanted her gone, immediately.

I know that doesn't sit well with the Buffista Way. You want to give everyone a shot. People like me, Kristen, Julie, and Monique have been threatened, abused, booted people off boards, and some threw punches when Joss, Fury, and Pruitt decided to take their issues out in the Bronze. Been there, done that. Tis how we learn, from experience.

I don't want to forget this. And the people who were here when it happened, should pass the story down.

Well said Kat.

I think the fastest way to stop talking about her is to announce that she's gone.

If that were the case I would be all for a quick post to Press. Really, I am good with whatever the consensus is but I wanted to weigh in as opposed. I have to get busy now. Happy Passover to those celebrating.

Oh lord. Big Boy. Now there's a name I never really need to hear again.

ETA: Or actually Pruitt. I don't need to hear that one either.

Kat, I'm starting to get it. I guess my problem is that I came in thinking that anybody can have an opinion about anything as long as it's respectful. What I'm discovering is that the board is much more like a close knit community with all the advantages and the baggage that comes with it. So theoretically it would be nice if everyone could say whatever they wanted as long as they did it with respect and civility. In actuality, every post is judged based on how long you've been here, what your contributions to the community/fandom have been, how much of an effort you've made to befriend other members etc.

So if, say, Jon B advocates a change it's different then if I advocate the same change. Jon has been here for years and his opinions don't rankle like mine do. (This is hypothetical Jon, I'm just using your name for example purposes.) Like I said, I'm starting to get it.