When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Dana - Apr 16, 2003 11:56:10 am PDT #474 of 10005
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Yes, she's banned. DX said so, because she violated ettiquette after her suspension.

I'd link the post, but occasionally I'm lazy and unhelpful.


Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 11:56:25 am PDT #475 of 10005
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Yeah, she's banned. Posting in PF was a violation of her suspension.

And most of what she said on her webpage was x-posted to PF anyway -- I think the only thing that wasn't was the actual naming of Cindy, Paul, Jim, and Consuela as people she for some reason felt like naming.


amych - Apr 16, 2003 11:56:45 am PDT #476 of 10005
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Yes, she's banned.


DXMachina - Apr 16, 2003 11:56:47 am PDT #477 of 10005
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

So, it's been decided. She's banned now, yes? I want to be sure it is clearly stated that It Is So.

Regardless of anything she said on her own own site, her postings on PF are sufficient. Regardless of the incoherence of some of the stuff over there, she attacks Julie. She's banned.


Dana - Apr 16, 2003 12:01:46 pm PDT #478 of 10005
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Where did I come across as trying to change "everything"? Apparently I've given lots of people that impression. I don't want to change anything.

You're right. I'm sure it's not everything. I think it maybe tends to be hot-button issues, that we've sweated blood over, and then to have you seemingly blithely dismiss the results of our sweating really hurts and frustrates, you know?

There were endless debates on how the board should be run when we were back at WX. Those of us who were around then set up the structure, the wording of the ettiquette pages, the how-to, the thread names, the slugs, the headers. It was a damn lot of work, and I can say that as one who did very little of it. And the board's been around six months, and it seems that we're almost constantly revisiting those issues.

I'm not saying it's entirely rational. But it's still a valid feeling.


Fiona - Apr 16, 2003 12:04:48 pm PDT #479 of 10005

It seems that the Buffistas have a politics thread at long last.

Actually, we have a poltics thread.

Enormous hugs and hands in new places to Julie, Cindy, Paul and whomever else she slagged.

That would be me, Consuela, Matt and Jim, though I seem to have escaped the especially vitriolic post. I think I was being used more as a general example. It is still a little bit unnerving, however.


§ ita § - Apr 16, 2003 12:07:10 pm PDT #480 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Where did the decision stand on posting notification of banning in Press?


Allyson - Apr 16, 2003 12:07:11 pm PDT #481 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Okay, to riff off a Kat example, Wolfram, if I give everyone here a Cheeseburger at the F2F because they're feeling hungry, I've treated everyone equally, but is that fair? Is it fair to the vegans and lactose intolerant?

It isn't fair. The law is seldom applied equally to all. There is an attempt to apply the law fairly. A minor doesnt get the same sentence as an adult. The mentally ill are sentenced differently, and often, a person's prior history are taken into consideration. Two people can commit murder, and one may get two years in jail, another life.

Also, I don't think you're thinking like a lawyer, I think you're thinking like a mathematician, where there is only one answer to the equation.

What you seem to want is TWOP. That's been discussed, and most everyone who has weighed in has said that they don't want a TWoP environment.


Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 12:10:02 pm PDT #482 of 10005
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Where did the decision stand on posting notification of banning in Press?

There wasn't one. I'm in favor of it, for reasons I've mentioned before. (Simply, it makes it Very Official, and it lets people know what's gone down without having to read through this thread.)


Wolfram - Apr 16, 2003 12:10:13 pm PDT #483 of 10005
Visilurking

You're right. I'm sure it's not everything. I think it maybe tends to be hot-button issues, that we've sweated blood over, and then to have you seemingly blithely dismiss the results of our sweating really hurts and frustrates, you know?

I'm not saying it's entirely rational. But it's still a valid feeling.

Nobody's feelings are invalid. Even mine. I may not come across as a passionate poster, but when I'm accused of blithely dismissing other people's hard work, it hurts me too. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your candor, but I don't know how to get across that I just don't feel the way people seem to think I do about this board, or about the efforts that have gone into it.