Sheesh, yesterday people were talking about warning Allyson for answering questions about her feelings.

(Cindy, this post is not directed at you, you are just a convenient place holder.)

FTR, that was me, and I withdrew it. But I want to make clear that she was clearly asking for it here, here, here, here, and especially here.

However, the asking for it was hypothetical and I don't feel that Allyson is someone who should be on the road to suspension or banning. And she apologized for her choice of words. So I withdrew the request.

Since I'm on the topic, there is something that has been bothering me a lot since that conversation. This has been rankling me for a couple of days, and I don't want to keep it inside. So I'm going to say it.

I was pretty much told that I am a newbie who shouldn't be pushing the board into becoming what it wasn't intended to be. And I was told that I stomp on the feelings of long-term posters. For the record, I know I'm new, and I know that stuff has been in place long before I was here. I thought I was free to express opinions that are contrary to opinions help by "oldtimers". I thought that this is what most of the "oldtimers" want us newbies to do. I am really hurt that people see me as a feelings-stomper and a disrespectful newbie. But I know my place now.

Someone let me know when I've been here long enough to have an opinion, and express it in a civil manner. Because that's all I've ever done.

when I've been here long enough to have an opinion, and express it in a civil manner.

Speaking quite only for myself, Wolfram, your civil manner to me feels dismissive of what came before. I'm not speaking to your intent, since you say that's not so, but it just feels "Okay. I'm here now. Let's fix things."

Which has the side effect that even when I agree with you, I just want to walk away from the whole thing.

Oh, don't worry about me, Trudy. I don't take what trolls say about me personally.

I just hope you get to be someone good like Boba Fete (original) or Greebo. Nobody wants to be Jabba.

I'm with ita.

Oh good. I was afraid it was going to get boring around here now that Zoegate is winding down.

Wolfram, I think I've already said everything I need to say to you. I have no desire to put everyone else through a rehash. If you somehow missed it the first time around, I summed up my feelings here: bitterchick "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Apr 15, 2003 1:59:32 am EDT

Wolfram, my issue with the things you say has nothing to do with how long you've been posting. If some "old-timer" or "long-term poster" or "true Buffista" (or any of those other terms I hate) started trying to change the way we do everything, my hackles would be ruffled too. Or something. I'm mixing metaphors.

I believe you mean well, and I'm not sure where the disconnect is taking place, honestly.

I'll just add that I've never perceived in anything Wolfram has written the slightest hint of a superiority complex, and in fact, if I was more of a glutton for punishment, I'd start threadsucking right now Bureaucracy 1 (the whole 10000 posts) to see if I can read what others have apparently read so clearly. Actually, I think that Wolfram has always been one of the most composed and level-headed (when it comes to tone) posters that I have read.

If we suspend someone and then the write threatening things about us and publically link to them (it's not like we hacked her private journal), or if they email them to one of us, or if they call us on the phone, or if they stalk us, I don't care whether or not we stipulated it up front or not -- in my book, they get banned.

I don't mean to be unfeeling, but she's suspended here. Why are people from here going to her personal Web site, and then getting up in arms about what she's posting there?

I understand being pissed about the stuff at PF. That's a public forum with the Buffistas name on it. But why are you seeking her out on her home turf and then getting offended by what she's saying there? Z*e's nuttier than a tin of Planter's peanuts, in my opinion, but do you really think she's going to do any harm to you?

In the Bronze community, there's a longtime poster who's caused consistent problems. He was finally banned this week, and people still went to his LJ to see what he was bitching about in regards to the ban. Heck, I was one of them. But I acknowledge, I went to point and laugh. I didn't go and then get upset at what I saw there, because it's his site and I was seeking it out.

There is something to be said for level headedness, sure. But what I've found is that for many, if not most Buffistas, they feel passion for the community.

Wolfram tends to talk about procedure in a very sanitized way that seems to deny the very messy Buffista way of dealing with issues, each other, and the board itself.

Wolfram's feeling that all Buffistas are created equal under da law is certainly not my feeling. Wolfram is not my equal, no one is. We're individuals, here. We should be treated fairly. Equality squares the piss out of me.

But why are you seeking her out on her home turf and then getting offended by what she's saying there?

Monique, she posted a link to her comments about Cindy, Paul and others in one of her PF posts (and posted most of the same comments in PF, so I'm not sure why the link was there). Nobody sought out anything.