I think brenda's right about a general tv thread fitting under the grandfather clause. But since it's a moot point right now, I think it doesn't warrant too much debate at the moment.

I agree, but again, the TV proposal only became moot, because we were asked to stop to address a fund-raising issue, which now may not exist.

So - again, I ask - please - if someone wants to challenge an eventual TV thread proposal using grandfather, dig up Betsy's wording on how to challenge, and then dig up your cites where we consensed-out-of-commission a TV thread, and do so pre-emptively, so we don't have a bunch of people already invested in formulating the ballot. It'll make life easier for all of us.

because we were asked to stop to address a fund-raising issue, which now may not exist

Just to clarify - it was a technical issue and it still exists.

Just to clarify - it was a technical issue and it still exists.

Yes, sorry, there is also a technical issue. But I think Raquel stopped, based on Allyson's plea for us to stop and fundraise. I don't think the proposal died forever. I think it died until we know if we can have a new thread or not (technically - and what that'll entail financially) - and so if someone wants to stop it because of the grandfather clause, they should do it now, and put us out of our misery now.

But I think Raquel stopped, based on Allyson's plea for us to stop and fundraise.

My plea was to stop until we knew more about board health, and fundraising was about a doomsday scenario, in case board health reached a critical level that meant moving to a dedicated server.

We shouldn't be discussing thread expansion until we know where we're at now, where we will be at the start of the new teevee season.

What we should be talking about is tightening up what we have already, which seems to be moving along, now, anyway.

Adding to the house of cards now seems a bad idea, since we can't see the foundation, yet.

What we should be talking about is tightening up what we have already, which seems to be moving along, now, anyway

I think the problem is that one obvious way to tighten is combining the low-volume TV threads, but doing that might lead to a general TV thread that might attract more posts and more board instability. Kind of Catch-22y.

IF we decide that the board can technically support a new thread, we can avoid all talk of the grandpappy clause by including in the proposal that the TV thread wouldn't open until Sept. 20. Many shows don't start until around that date and it would save us all a lot of headaches.

I'm still sticking with my plea that we not even discuss a new thread until after Angel's season premiere.

Kristen, would you consider the proposal to consolidate Smallville, Farscape, and Due South into one thread ("Genre TV" or "Fannish TV" or something like that) a new thread?

Kristen, could you expound on that a little bit more? I understand that it's likely that a fannish TV thread would attract more posts than Smallville, Due South, and Farscape do now. But we have six weeks until the Angel premiere -- isn't that enough time to judge the thread volume and see if it's enough to cause server problems, and remove it if it does? Also, won't the premiere lead to a temporarily higher posting volume regardless of the number of threads we have?

Thanks for your patience.

But I think Raquel stopped, based on Allyson's plea for us to stop and fundraise. I don't think the proposal died forever.

Yep. I stopped based on Allyson's (and others) points about the potential technical impacts (or yeah, what Allyson just said). I think these technical issues will ultimately require fundraising, but that's skipping a few steps.

I didn't think the TV thread was GF'd, but I could've missed that. So yes, please, listen to wise Cindy and address that now.

Jon, will that work, or is it the VOTING that's grandfathered?