The last proposal, which has since been withdrawn, certainly violated it
The proposal for a general TV thread? How did that violate the gf clause?
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Sean K - Aug 20, 2003 7:07:17 am PDT #4296 of 10005
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
brenda m - Aug 20, 2003 7:12:11 am PDT #4297 of 10005
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Hasn't it come up and been shot down multiple times? Wasn't avoiding topics like that one of the main reasons for the gf in the first place?
What then would the gf actually apply to? Apparently I'm not clear on the concept.
Cindy - Aug 20, 2003 7:18:18 am PDT #4298 of 10005
Nobody
War thread, politics - those were grandfather issues. I don't know if the TV thread ever made it that far before we started voting, or if it was a "let's wait and see what happens when Buffy ends" situation. I might have been grandfathered. I never thought of it, but depending on how we left the discussion, brenda might be right. Can you find the conversation, brenda?
Steph L. - Aug 20, 2003 7:19:55 am PDT #4299 of 10005
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
God DAMN, but I hate that grandfather clause. When does it end? September?
Lyra Jane - Aug 20, 2003 7:22:12 am PDT #4300 of 10005
Up with the sun
I think we've brought up a general TV thread before, but I think it was more mentioned than discussed. I don't remember multiple substantial conversations of the kind the Grandfather clause was meant to apply to.
When does the grandfather thingie expire, anyhow?
Cindy - Aug 20, 2003 7:23:45 am PDT #4301 of 10005
Nobody
Sean, yes - it ends in September, I think. I don't think a general TV thread came up before we started voting. If so, it isn't grandfathered, because grandfathering is specific to pre-voting-era decisions. And if it came after we started voting, but never made it to lightbulb, it's not under the moratorium, either.
It would be nice, however, if anyone is going to challenge the eventual Gen'l TV thread on grandfather/moratorium grounds, that they do it now, before we get back into it (which we probably will, after Kat's Housecleaning Proposal comes to a vote).
Nilly - Aug 20, 2003 7:26:09 am PDT #4302 of 10005
Swouncing
When does it end? September?
According to Laura "Sunnydale Press" May 22, 2003 11:59:07 pm PDT it's September 20th.
Nutty - Aug 20, 2003 7:28:34 am PDT #4303 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
September. About the 20th. TV was specifically a part of the talk around the grandfather thread, because it had been discussed pre-voting-implementation.
I think, coming to the end of the life of the initial grandfather clause, that it's done its job. We limited the number of issues we could bring up at once, and thereby avoided (even more) rancorous argument. Not that you all should go out and propose we all be required to post while wearing purple hats, or anything.
We will also be due shortly (couple of weeks) for a gut-check on the moratorium period -- whether 6 months is good or longer or shorter. Considering how little has been voted down and come under the moratorium, I have practically no opinion about it!
Nilly - Aug 20, 2003 7:34:23 am PDT #4304 of 10005
Swouncing
We will also be due shortly (couple of weeks) for a gut-check on the moratorium period
According to Jesse "Sunnydale Press" Mar 29, 2003 7:54:50 am PST the 'official' 3 months time from the vote was on June 29th, so the 6 months time is September 29th.
DavidS - Aug 20, 2003 7:35:17 am PDT #4305 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
We limited the number of issues we could bring up at once, and thereby avoided (even more) rancorous argument.
I'll note again my theory that everytime we have a divisive discussion or vote we use up a fair amount of our community good will. I'm of the opinion that limiting the votes is probably healthy for us, because the rancor and frayed nerves come on pretty quick. So I don't mind the grandfather clause, even if it makes us impatient occasionally.
It's a whole checks and balances deal - but in this instance it's between change and stability. There's some value to having changes occur slowly.