That's a scary notion.

Here's a proposition. If we do end up going to a vote on the proposal as originally worded, I'll extend a plea to all the spoiled folk to vote against it, on the understanding that I'll personally repropose with the revised wording as found in (Kristen's?) Press post (with a couple of revisions that have been put out since then - I'm thinking of Cindy's).

As nightmarish as this discussion has gotten at times, there are some points on which we've achieved some sort of accord, and I hate to think of losing all that.

Here's a proposition. If we do end up going to a vote on the proposal as originally worded, I'll extend a plea to all the spoiled folk to vote against it, on the understanding that I'll personally repropose with the revised wording as found in (Kristen's?) Press post (with a couple of revisions that have been put out since then - I'm thinking of Cindy's).

Can you repropose, though? I thought there was a limit on reproposing things.

Brenda, what changes does it need? I know the summer thing; I'm just blanking on what else.

The suggestion has been made for a virgin thread as well, but I'd rather save that for another vote because we really haven't discussed it.

I thought there was a limit on reproposing things.

I thought so, too. Three months, maybe?

Thought of that as soon as I posted. However, it seems to me that if we can set aside grandfathering in the interest of community needs, we can do the same with the moratorium.

At any rate, I'm not delighted with that idea anyway - because, say we voted on the proposal as currently worded, and say it goes down. Among the folk who've been arguing in this thread, it might be reasonable to make some assumptions about why they would vote against - wouldn't be 100 percent of course, but still. For people who haven't yet chimed in, how would we know?

But I hate, hate, hate the thought that we end up back where we started after finally managing to agree on some things.

How about this? If we can't find Jim by midnight board time tonight, we turn the wording over to Plei, who IIRC intended to make a similar proposal at around the same time.

I would prefer the amended version go to vote. I think that Jim would probably be okay with that as well. Let's give him a chance to come back and peruse it. I think we can stretch a little to accomodate that. It's only if he were gone for an extended absence that I think we'd need to go forward with the original wording.

I'd rather preserve what little accord we've achieved in Lightbulb. As noted, however, there would be a moratorium on voting on the same issue.

Let's use our common sense about this, instead of being run ragged by rules interpretations.

The suggestion has been made for a virgin thread as well, but I'd rather save that for another vote because we really haven't discussed it.

Then let's discuss it, shall we?

Really, whichever community gets booted out of the series thread should get a patch of board to call it's own.

Trudy, taken to lightbulbs.

Well, this is the original proposal:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox, the WB or ME in press advertising or their official website, are no longer spoilers, and should be discussed in the show threads. This includes cast additions or departures. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

This is Kristen's revision, modified by Nutty:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only . This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

And Cindy's suggestion was to build in some amount of time after the season finale before the next season stuff was free for discussion, to make sure that end of season talk doesn't get curtailed.

There's some really key differences.

Well, here is where we're discussing modifying the ballot if Jim doesn't come back.