I'm getting really worried about Jim - because to propose something like this and then disappear for days - not like him.
I think he was just away on the weekend, and probably has work to deal with this morning. Plus 1,000 posts in Lightbulb.
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DavidS - Jul 28, 2003 6:36:29 am PDT #3639 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
brenda m - Jul 28, 2003 6:36:43 am PDT #3640 of 10005
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Has Jim been around during other voting discussions? He may not realize that there's more for him to do.
Lyra Jane - Jul 28, 2003 6:44:29 am PDT #3641 of 10005
Up with the sun
I agree it is odd that Jim hasn't been back. One option would be to give him until a certain time (say, 5 p.m. board time) and then allow someone else to make modifications based on our discussion and submit a final proposal for a vote.
(I understand that goes against our policies, but it seems less painful for all concerned than waiting indefinitely. Besides, we probably eventually will have a situation where someone makes a proposal and has to go away before the vote, and it'd be nice to have a precedent.)
§ ita § - Jul 28, 2003 6:45:16 am PDT #3642 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jim's often away from the board for days at a time, Typo. I wouldn't worry too much about him.
There are no next steps until he gets back, is all.
Lyra Jane - Jul 28, 2003 6:49:50 am PDT #3643 of 10005
Up with the sun
X-post.
There are no next steps until he gets back, is all.
Huh. That seems kind of silly to me, to rest the vote on one person, when there are so many reasons someone could have for taking days or weeks off or even leaving forever. I'd like to discuss work-arounds and alternatives.
I understand our policy is pretty clear about the role of the proposer -- I just have this vision where we discuss something, it's ready for a vote, and then the proposer loses net access and the vote is left hanging for all eternity.
§ ita § - Jul 28, 2003 7:01:47 am PDT #3644 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd like to suggest e-mailing Jim before we write him off for lost.
Since it's been set up that the wording of the proposal is up to the proposer (to protect us from having to consense), I think it's a less big deal to have a bit of a delay.
Trudy Booth - Jul 28, 2003 7:05:17 am PDT #3645 of 10005
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Why on earth do we vote in policies if, the moment they become inconvenient, we start lobbying to chuck them?
Typo Boy - Jul 28, 2003 7:07:27 am PDT #3646 of 10005
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OK ita - on Jim I'm reassured. It didn't occur to me, but make perfect sense that he might not realize that he needs to drop by occasionally to decide whether he wants to make wording changes.
And delaying the vote until he shows up again does sound like the best solution. Insisting on sticking rigidly to voting schedule would be excessively legalistic.
Lyra Jane - Jul 28, 2003 7:24:53 am PDT #3647 of 10005
Up with the sun
I agree we should email Jim and give him some extra time, and that we don't have to vote right away.
But I'm thinking about the larger situation, of what to do when someone proposes something, but isn't around when it's time for a vote. It seems like the sort of thing that may happen often enough that we should have an option besides waiting around indefinitely.
DavidS - Jul 28, 2003 7:28:55 am PDT #3648 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But I'm thinking about the larger situation, of what to do when someone proposes something, but isn't around when it's time for a vote. It seems like the sort of thing that may happen often enough that we should have an option besides waiting around indefinitely.
The default option, it would seem to me, is that the proposal goes forward for vote as originally worded. The discussion in Lightbulb usually creates a modified version of the original proposal which accomodates more people (and enhances it's chances of being voted in). But that is up to the discretion of the proposer, and if Jim doesn't change it then the vote would go forward with the original wording.