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'Serenity'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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DavidS - Jul 05, 2003 8:49:01 pm PDT #2929 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Honestly, just kind of looking to see if I fit in with this group. Seems like a good match but it isn't the kind of thing that you can say with certainty so soon.

shrugs Seems like a good match to me.

What you did Cass is probably what we would probably prefer folks to do if we had any kind of official protocol on the matter. Lurk for a couple weeks until you get the feel for the community, then jump in.

But I always like it when a longtime lurker decides to join in. I even like seeing folks delurk once a quarter. Seeing the same names come back around. Even as far back as TT I've gotten emails from lurkers who wanted to share something with me.

It's okay. It's a disquieting idea sometimes knowing that there are a lot more people reading than are posting. But my experience at least is that lurkers are a beneficient-to-neutral presence. I sort of presume that (for the most part) they wouldn't keep coming back if they didn't care about the conversation that was happening here.


Cass - Jul 05, 2003 9:08:58 pm PDT #2930 of 10005
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

shrugs Seems like a good match to me.
Hec-liments -- especially when I don't think you meant it to be one --are good and lovely pretty things.

I just got a little creeped catching up on stuff, and for me, it's all catching up...
t blinks
Um, where am I?
t blinks again
Scurries back to Bitches...

oh and I'll wait on voting till I feel I've earned it...


Cindy - Jul 06, 2003 1:05:06 am PDT #2931 of 10005
Nobody

tina - fwiw, I lurked for 6 mos - to a year, before I posted (cc: Margaret). I was thrilled when you delurked tina, and happy when it became clear that you were fast becoming as addicted as the rest of us. I wasn't meaning to sound anti-lurker. It's just that pre-voting, to chime in on a decision-making process, a Buffista had to delurk. He or she couldn't just submit a ballot. So when people had a say in what we do, we knew who was having a say in what we do, and to a large extent, what they wanted in general, because we'd have already gotten to know them.

I'm sorry for any upset that earlier post caused. I thought I was clear in that I was just expressing a worry, that I knew wasn't a current problem (because I know how many people vote, and it seems to generally line up with how many people post), and that I didn't think we could do anything about it, anyhow.


Beverly - Jul 06, 2003 3:34:20 am PDT #2932 of 10005
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I don't think I even know where the council meets

Right here, babe. This is it.

I lurked for weeks on TT before I ever got up the courage to post, and TT was the first board I ever found (courtesy Anne Lamott mentioning her then-column). Spoiled by it, I never mastered the chat room, and light-on-black boards make me twitchy, as do shoutouts, asscaps ('cept for Rio's), bad spelling and gratuitous jargon (as opposed to evolved vernacular. I perceive a difference, whether there actually is one or not). When the threads began to multiply and picked up warp speed, I found myself tending to read and nod in agreement, and realized I was reverting to lurker mode. So I make the effort (and it is, often) to actually post comments now and then. Who said they thought of the lurkers as angels? Well-wishing but unspoken and unseen entities? Whenever I get a bit creeped by the thought of unknown people lurking, I conjure that image, and remember my own shyness and hesitation at stepping into the sparkly light.

It is lovely when a lurker decloaks. Lurkers are our Buffista spirit babies, after all. It's nice when some of them become official Buffistas.


§ ita § - Jul 06, 2003 5:24:06 am PDT #2933 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't know there were steps to be taken

Steps? What steps? There are no steps.

People de-lurk differently, and I think how it turns out is more about the person than how they delurk.

Me, I read probably a couple hundred posts for context, and then started posting right away. I don't have the lurking gene.

The key I think, is patience and respect for a community that precedes you.


scrappy - Jul 06, 2003 6:11:44 am PDT #2934 of 10005
Nobody

I love it when lurkers post--new friends, new insights, new voices! It's all good. I lurked myself for a while and felt odd and self-conscious posting for a couple months, mostly because I already liked everyone so much and was hoping they liked me. Then I relaxed and became the blabbermouth you see before you.


Michele T. - Jul 06, 2003 7:50:11 am PDT #2935 of 10005
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

See, I *don't* want lurkers to feel unwelcome. I want them to step out into the glittering light and do that funky de-lurking thang.

But I also don't want people to feel pressured to delurk.

As I noted above, the vast majority of *every* online community is lurkers. Sometimes, that's all you want to do. That doesn't mean you don't have an investment in the community.


tina f. - Jul 06, 2003 10:31:39 am PDT #2936 of 10005

Cindy - you could never sound anti-lurker to me - you were practically my delurking sponsor!

I think it is a different process for everybody. I felt very welcome. Some days I have moments of embarassment and shyness and nothing to say and then days where I just don't care and post like a posting thing. Like everybody, I guess.

Also - fridge fixed. AC fixed. Very Foamy.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 06, 2003 11:07:43 am PDT #2937 of 10005
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The funny thing to me is that I'm normally a lurker on other fora, and take a lot of time to get comfortable enough to make extremely rare posts. This even applied to the Survivor and Big Brother TT threads at Salon if I recall correctly. The only instances where I've made the plunge to posting almost as soon as I discovered a site were the Buffistas and the original Ultimate TV Bronze back in '97. So apparently Buffy is my gateway drug to overcoming shyness.


tina f. - Jul 06, 2003 11:20:35 am PDT #2938 of 10005

Buffy is my gateway drug to overcoming shyness

I just love this. Buffy was my gateway drug to SO MUCH STUFF. I can't even begin to list it all. (But - yup, you guessed it - I'm gonna try.)

Using the Internet for anything other than CNN, Salon, shopping and e-mail

The concept of spoilers

The concept of shippers

Comics

Fan-fic

Buying videos/DVDs (rather than renting them)

Buying books about TV shows

Buying books about TV stars (unauthorized ones at that)

Reading scripts for fun

Reading and obsessing about TV show writers and lighting directors and make-up specialists and set decorators

Watching ONLY the credits of non-Buffy shows for familiar names of directors, writers, and producers

Taping something while I'm watching it

Watching a show because of who writes it not who stars in it

Listening to talk shows on the Internet (succubus club)

Watching show vids

Buying soundtracks to musicals I've never seen

Action figures

Farscape

Whew! There is more - but I have fear that this will get cut off. Boy - I was really fricking boring before I started watching Buffy.