But if the world doesn't end, I'm gonna need a note.

Cordelia ,'Potential'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Betsy HP - Jul 02, 2003 5:23:05 pm PDT #2856 of 10005
If I only had a brain...

Just what they usually do. (Which, I think, is your point.)


Allyson - Jul 02, 2003 6:17:32 pm PDT #2857 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I guess I'm not sure what you want done about it.

I was under the impression that this was a theoretical discussion, and not an "I want a solution" discussion. Did I miss something, somewhere?


Kat - Jul 02, 2003 7:21:03 pm PDT #2858 of 10005
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Like JessPMoon, I had to struggle for a bit to think about what the tension was in May. Perhaps because I wasn't feeling tense. And you know what, I'm still not clear if I'm thinking about the same things.

I will say that the several weeks of voting on voting on voting for things made me crazy and I'm relieved to see we aren't reacting the same way. If we had just continually voted, I would want to cease and desist with the voting.

And dunno who said it upthread, but All Buffistas Are Foamy, for me, is not an elevation of conversation. But quite the opposite. It's social lubricant, that much is true. But it has the exact opposite effect of elevating.


Jessica - Jul 02, 2003 7:31:17 pm PDT #2859 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Did I miss something, somewhere?

To me, the way you worded what I quoted above seemed to be demanding an admission of some kind.

If we're all just posting to hear the sound of our own voices, than nevermind.


Allyson - Jul 02, 2003 7:40:27 pm PDT #2860 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

No, Jessica, I was pleading for understanding.


scrappy - Jul 02, 2003 7:45:15 pm PDT #2861 of 10005
Nobody

Sounded to me that Allyson was doing the what the rest of us were, stating her opinion. I didn't get a hectoring tone from it. I don't agree with her strongly and clearly worded opinion, but that I am sure ain't no big with her, she still lurves me and stuff.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 02, 2003 8:15:48 pm PDT #2862 of 10005
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm fond of the lurkers too. As I've mentioned before, I think of them as the angels in Wings of Desire.

So this means the de-lurkers who become contributors are Peter Falk? Cool - that's the best compliment I've been paid in a long yard.

Also finding this discussion fascinating. Anything I want to say at this juncture, though, would sound inflammatory when I would just be attempting interesting. There are negatives to being a knee-jerk Devil's advocate - especially when you see ways to be provocative on both sides.


Allyson - Jul 02, 2003 8:36:51 pm PDT #2863 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

yeah, I lurves scrappy in unholy yet righteous ways.

Ken, it's okay for advocating for the devil. we're discussing, not arguing, i think.


Michele T. - Jul 02, 2003 8:40:22 pm PDT #2864 of 10005
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

I agree that there is leadership, and the fact is that, as Lessig notes, the person in cyberspace with the tech code can create the legal code. (If you're really interested in the constitutions of online community, Lessig is the guy to be reading.) I think it's probably for the best that none of that is made more explicit or more powerful than it has to be, in part because that allows people who want to claim power within the community to do so through action rather than through, say, electioneering.


DebetEsse - Jul 02, 2003 9:44:25 pm PDT #2865 of 10005
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Hey, DavidS, do you mind if I steal your metaphor for my tag?