Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.

'Ariel'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


§ ita § - Jul 02, 2003 2:26:08 pm PDT #2845 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

None that I know of, and I'm hoping that we stay that way.

While we're not just a bunch of friends, cyberhanging, neither are we a club with point rewards systems, nor a government.

And I don't see how we could be, what either could achieve for anyone, since the metaphor would be bound to crumble under any strain.


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2003 2:26:23 pm PDT #2846 of 10005
brillig

Me and Conseula, and no, we're not twins, despite the names. Just pre-emptive end-runs, folks. Kind of like making sure you give a speech on the Senate floor, even though no one's there, because the speech is then in the Congressional Record for everyone to see.


DavidS - Jul 02, 2003 2:28:42 pm PDT #2847 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, I'm glad there's some clarification here. Because I do think Allyson is basically talking about respect and what goes with that. Not riding First Class at B.Org with free champagne, and dog food pate for the grubby masses in Coach.


Consuela - Jul 02, 2003 2:38:55 pm PDT #2848 of 10005
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Right, David.

I'm sorry if I implied I thought that we were in danger of going that way -- I was basically speculating, and running my discomfort out to the logical limit to show why I didn't like the concept that much.

Bad Suela, too much theorizing.


Jesse - Jul 02, 2003 2:54:51 pm PDT #2849 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Wait, I'm sorry, not all of you guys get the Extra Special Fancy Buffistas.org with massage attachment?

...oh, man. I shouldn't have said anything.

Carry on.

(Oh, actually, I do have something to say about lurkers voting and stuff: I think it's very cool that there are dedicated lurkers, and I'm glad some of them vote, and I appreciate the financial contributions some of them have made. And when they do post, I think it's cool that they already know us, even though we don't know them yet.)


DavidS - Jul 02, 2003 3:08:59 pm PDT #2850 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, actually, I do have something to say about lurkers voting and stuff: I think it's very cool that there are dedicated lurkers, and I'm glad some of them vote, and I appreciate the financial contributions some of them have made. And when they do post, I think it's cool that they already know us, even though we don't know them yet.

I'm fond of the lurkers too. As I've mentioned before, I think of them as the angels in Wings of Desire.


Jon B. - Jul 02, 2003 3:14:07 pm PDT #2851 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

What benefits do we have that we can hand out

Some folks (not me) seem to think voting is one such benefit.

I think of them as the angels in Wings of Desire.

Hee! That's a great image, David.


Allyson - Jul 02, 2003 3:34:17 pm PDT #2852 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think voting is a priviledge of citizenship, and I have different definitions of citizenship.

I also think creating a system of government without leadership is odd.

And we do actually have leadership here, in the form of social status, and I don't really get why that is so repugnant an idea. I find the All Buffistas Are Created Equal idea repugnant. I get the social lubricant analogy, but really and truly? I get the feeling that some folks depend on believing that it is Truth, though I concede that is completely a value judgment on my part, and I'm often guilty of not giving people enough credit.


§ ita § - Jul 02, 2003 3:40:12 pm PDT #2853 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I also think creating a system of government without leadership is odd.

I don't think we have either citizenship (since the barrier to entry is so low) nor government.

But there is some leadership, yeah.

eta: I don't think voting is a privilege, per se, or no more one than chiming in on a consensus was.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 02, 2003 3:42:49 pm PDT #2854 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think we don't have formal leadership, but certainly during the process of deciding to vote, some people became leaders in for that process. Some people are leaders in Technical Stuff. Some people are leaders in charity drives, others in planning F2F.