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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Allyson - Jul 01, 2003 1:43:01 pm PDT #2762 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think we reverted back to core at People's Forum, when decisions had to be made quickly. The F2F threads were created without a vote, for example. There wasn't a vote about using the Fangeek server (I think that was covered earlier in discussion about tech emergencies, but could be mistaken).

Also, a lot of tension seemed to have melted and we were none to quick about having these sorts of discussions when we came back. I found it all fascinating.


Nutty - Jul 01, 2003 1:43:28 pm PDT #2763 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Also known as, we are happy to remain an amorphous blob. I like not-defining our formal definitions of status, just the way I like our making definitions of "offensive" relational. You know, if it works, we use it, till it stops working (or we forget that we were using it and have to start all over again, and then Nilly and feel very stupid). I'm cool with that.


Allyson - Jul 01, 2003 1:49:07 pm PDT #2764 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But part of the way we stay nice to each other is by having the core
membership be self-defining, and mostly unspoken.

yes, this.

I think we don't define core by name, but by actions, and how we react and post to one another. It's unspoken, but it is the rhino in a tu tu sitting in the corner, always.

It's defined in the article as people who care the most about the community. The people that care the most, that have the most at stake, do have greater rights, and we give them freely without thinking about it. The core gets responses, greater in frequency and more passionate in tone than other users. Sometimes a troll is in the core, for that reason.


Sean K - Jul 01, 2003 2:08:56 pm PDT #2765 of 10005
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also, a lot of tension seemed to have melted and we were none to quick about having these sorts of discussions when we came back. I found it all fascinating.

I was pretty fascinated by this, too. When we got booted over to PF for those weeks, this very thread was a hotbed of tension and snark.

Since we've been back, this thread has been dead for all intents and purposes.

Not sure what, if anything, that means, other than that we seem to be at our best when we're just being us, rather than worrying over the rules, methods and procedures that allow us to be us.


Nutty - Jul 01, 2003 2:19:14 pm PDT #2766 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Well, to be fair, this thread became dead because there was only one properly pending action (the Minearverse thread) when we got sent to PF; and everything else people said, "Oh wait, let's not talk about this till after the F2F"... and we just haven't brought things back up again yet. (Fear not; we will.)

I think we don't define core by name, but by actions, and how we react and post to one another. It's unspoken, but it is the rhino in a tu tu sitting in the corner, always.

I'm not sure how this differs from ordinary human interaction? "We" -- as individuals -- make these decisions every day, about our bosses, our neighbors, our second cousins. Until "we" unify and become an expressly same-thinking cabal, it's all just individuals reacting to each other. There may be trends and tendencies among Buffistas' thinking, but I suspect we're all a little too half-assed to assemble a proper cabal.


Jessica - Jul 01, 2003 2:22:42 pm PDT #2767 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The only pending issue I remember was the Tim thread vote, which we finished.

Are there others I just blocked out?


Nutty - Jul 01, 2003 2:26:33 pm PDT #2768 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

We've got a ladles-and-jellyspoons agreement not to talk about thread consolidation/retirement till late summer, closer to the TV season beginning. That's the big one I'm thinking of.


Allyson - Jul 01, 2003 2:27:58 pm PDT #2769 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm not sure how this differs from ordinary human interaction?

YES (empahtically jumping out of seat). But Buffistas have tried to be extraordinary by trying to squash that ordinary interaction and force a same thinking cabal. It's the "All Buffistas Are Foamy" think. Not all Buffistas are foamy, special, bright, nice, or any of the other positive adjectives we place on any halfwit or genius that can manage to register and post.

Some Buffistas are more attractive, brighter, funnier, nicer, ruder, smellier, and don't care much about the community, or care too much. All subjective, of course, but All Buffistas Are Foamy is part of our All Buffistas Are Equal illusion.

It's in the trying so hard to ignore, squash, eradicate the natural human behavior of creating heirarchy that we end up making me crazy. But like I said, I'm fully realizing that I'm the only one thinking this way. AND I'M STILL RIGHT SO THERE!


scrappy - Jul 01, 2003 2:34:39 pm PDT #2770 of 10005
Nobody

I totally agree that some Buffistas are smarter, kinder, what-have-you-er than others, but I don't think those excellent qualities give them special rights, is all. I value some Buffistas more than others, but that's my subjective opinion, and I am sure that there are those I value highly that someone else doesn't care for at all, so it evens out. Those who do the most direct work on this board are in a special category, because we owe our existence to them.


Jessica - Jul 01, 2003 2:36:46 pm PDT #2771 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

All Buffistas Are Foamy is part of our All Buffistas Are Equal illusion.

I guess my point was that it's a functional illusion. It irritates the living fuck out of me at times too, but it's part of our social lubricant.