Right!
Yes!
It came up during the last exile ... CafePress and their new TOS. I don't think we should be keeping our swag there, not if it risks costing us dosh.
Are there alternatives? Ideas?
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§ ita § - Jun 19, 2003 1:15:27 pm PDT #2628 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jessica - Jun 19, 2003 1:25:46 pm PDT #2629 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Here is a clarification to that bit of the Member Agreement (bold mine):
Clarification: Members who have commission in their accounts and do not reach the $25 minimum payment threshold within 6 months will be subject to a $25 per month account maintenance fee until their account balance is $0. Members are not charged beyond the balance in their accounts (we will not charge your credit card, send you a bill, etc). The CafePress.com service and CafePress Basic Shops are still free, and if you have not commissions in your account, you will never be charged the account maintenance fee. This fee is only charged to those members with outstanding commission that never reach the payment threshold.
Which means that most of our stores will never be charged, since they earn no commission.
The original swag stores have a current commission of about $16. In order to get that out of CafePress' hands (before July 1st, when the new agreement goes into effect), what I can do is close those stores, and reopen them w/o commission. This will cost $5, but we won't have to pay the $25 commission fee, ever.
Jessica - Jun 19, 2003 1:32:59 pm PDT #2630 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The other bit that was worrying is this:
6.2 You hereby grant to CafePress.com a royalty-free, worldwide, nonexclusive, right and license to use the trademarks, trade names, designs, logos and other images that you upload to your image basket in connection with your use of the CafePress.com Service ("Party Marks"). If you or CafePress.com terminate your account, CafePress.com will cease its use of the Party Marks within 90 days of the termination.
The only difference between this and the old member agreement is the last sentence, which to me looks like it puts an end date on their license that wasn't there before, which is of the good.
§ ita § - Jun 19, 2003 1:33:19 pm PDT #2631 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Isn't commission earned unpredictably? Or do they not still have volume discounts?
Jessica - Jun 19, 2003 1:35:07 pm PDT #2632 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Isn't commission earned unpredictably? Or do they not still have volume discounts?
I can look up their definition of "volume" on the site, but we never earned any commission during the busiest F2F ordering period, so I'm not worried.
[edit: Volume pricing starts at 20 items/month. So far, we've never been close to that.]
Jesse - Jun 19, 2003 4:06:20 pm PDT #2633 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
We have gotten money back from them. Not a lot, but some.
§ ita § - Jun 19, 2003 7:17:43 pm PDT #2634 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Volume pricing starts at 20 items/month
It has to be the same item/same pattern, I'm guessing, right? Then we should be good.
amych - Jun 20, 2003 2:51:55 am PDT #2635 of 10005
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
I'm far more worried about the copyright issue than the commissions, where Cafepress is concerned.
§ ita § - Jun 20, 2003 4:26:02 am PDT #2636 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Looks like the copyright issue has always existed, though. And now it's a bit better.
Swag is being bought -- do we have an alternative provider.
Admittedly, I'm not the biggest TOS reader except when it comes to domain registrars.
Sue - Jun 20, 2003 4:46:54 am PDT #2637 of 10005
hip deep in pie
That non-exclusive license clause seems pretty common on web services. I know the Atlantic Forums have a similar kind of clause, and I think Worldcrossing do too. I don't think they stipulate an end date however. I think it's a clause that just allows them to publish trademarked or copyrigthed things -- they don't claim any ownership or exclusivity to the license.