I'm sorry, Wolfram. I shouldn't have used you as an example. That was rude.
Stepping off for a bit.
Oh, no, oh, no! Spontaneous poetic exclamations. Lord, spare me college boys in love.
Dr. Walsh ,'Potential'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Betsy HP - May 19, 2003 7:49:23 pm PDT #2182 of 10005
If I only had a brain...
Jon B. - May 19, 2003 7:51:23 pm PDT #2183 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Frankly, I feel that if we didn't have a process in place (and keep in mind that it is still very new), folks would be nit-picking about other things. Except, that we'd have no way to end it because we'd never vote on it; we'd just keep talking in circles until one "side" gave up. That's how it used to be. I'll say it again: folks are really romanticizing the past. People were just as frustrated before. Maybe the frustratees is a slightly different group, but I don't think things were better before. I really don't.
Lyra Jane - May 19, 2003 7:55:54 pm PDT #2184 of 10005
Up with the sun
Me, I voted for voting, and I'd vote for it again.
However, it seems I take it a lot less seriously than some other advocates. I am *not* going to get het up about the minutiae. And I'm really going to try and avoid snipping at other Buffistas because of the process.
This is where I am, too. I mean, it's an online forum -- we aren't exactly curing cancer.
ZeusGirl - May 19, 2003 8:23:50 pm PDT #2185 of 10005
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.
Hey, can I make an actual proposal? I would like to propose that the next Firefly thread be callled:
Firefly 3: You Did Take The Sky From Me, You #%(&@#&
But that might just be me. I'm bitter by nature.
Laura - May 19, 2003 8:27:28 pm PDT #2186 of 10005
Our wings are not tired.
Snerk.
Micole - May 19, 2003 8:31:49 pm PDT #2187 of 10005
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
I propose "Firefly 3: Big Damn Zombies, Sir." Though maybe it's not an inclusive enough joke. And the thought that "zombies" might refer to the prematurely deceased show makes me sad. (Firefly! Come back! I'll feed you only the most exquisite of gourmet BRRRRAAAINNSS!)
Nutty - May 19, 2003 8:32:19 pm PDT #2188 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I think we all need a nap. PROPOSAL: That all Buffistas wherever they may lie be allowed to nap on demand.
Seriously, is the bureau-malaise such that I should hold off on posting my Lawspeak Summary? I'm about done with it, and almost ready to send it to Jon for final HTMLification, but we've got Betsy's proposal to get voted on and Allyson's proposal to move into the Light Bulb seat and the finale and lots of nerves and brain-explodey.
Shall I hold off? I mean, I don't particularly foresee debate on it when it's done, but if people's eyes are already melting out of their sockets, I'm fine to wait, too.
DCJensen - May 19, 2003 8:32:31 pm PDT #2189 of 10005
All is well that ends in pizza.
This is where I am, too. I mean, it's an online forum -- we aren't exactly curing cancer.
Unless, of course, cancer turns out to be curable with copious amounts of snerk.
Burrell - May 19, 2003 8:35:24 pm PDT #2190 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I think we all need a nap. PROPOSAL: That all Buffistas wherever they may lie be allowed to nap on demand.
I second this. Naptime!
Cindy - May 19, 2003 8:38:15 pm PDT #2191 of 10005
Nobody
I third the nap thing.
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It's not the voting, it's how we've decided to define and regulate the process to where we're anticipating violations of our "constitution" - you know, the thing we never wanted to have, because we didn't want to be the kind of place where more specific rules of behavior were necessary?
The process was meant to be a way so that we didn't end up having to count through 300 posts to find that originally 18 people wanted a war thread, and 10 did not, but then 7 people changed their mind.
We got ridiculous.
We wanted a minimum of 42 people to show before we could even decide we'd decided for or against something. If we had 3 choices before us in a choose one situation, we decided that whichever wanted the most votes, wasn't good enough, and that one option needed a true majority. We decided we had to talk about/weigh in on (vote) things for a week, when formerly, we let a conversation take it's natural course.
It's not the voting. The voting is a poll. Simple. Direct. We just didn't use Mr. Poll, because people cheated on the "monkey" thread title and decided to use an email form.
FWIW, it seems to me (and this is only an impression that may be mistaken, but if it's not, I'm drowning in irony) that some folks who are most unhappy with the process are folks who came across (to me) as most in favor of highly regulating it - with mvt's, majorities, etc. Also, fwiw, despite being labeled one of the gang-of-14 or possibly 8 elephants in a living room (I hope we're pink elephants) I was against every one of those things that further complicated what was supposed to be a simple procedure.
The last substantial complaint I read here seemed to be that we had no procedure in place for handling trolls, when in fact, we voted it in a while back, just, sadly, as were were in the middle of handling our last troll.
I think there's a lot of skimming going on. And I don't blame anyone for that - it's a mental health tool. But I think there are a lot of mistaken impressions about who did what - and where.