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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Jon B. - May 16, 2003 2:40:24 pm PDT #2004 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Did we ever decide upon whether we would trash the voting if say, voter turnout was so consistently low, we'd have to concede that we had moved to an advocacy based decision making process?

I think what we have decided on a consensus basis, is that in extreme circumstances we're allowed to break the rules. If this place gets to a point where ballots never get the MVT, then I think folks will agree that changing the rules is appropriate. Although I think that situation would be more a sign of low board participation in general (see my previous comment... t edit I meant my post here: Jon B. "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" May 16, 2003 4:15:20 pm EDT )


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 2:44:10 pm PDT #2005 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Insent Nutty...


Wolfram - May 16, 2003 2:49:56 pm PDT #2006 of 10005
Visilurking

Sophia, I'd rather have a small team of advocates make community decisions on behalf of the community. I'm really very clear on what the criteria for that group should be, but posting it? I've already lost enough status on Zoe.

Allyson, you've made it pretty clear whom you want making decisions, and whom you don't want involved in the process. I'm also for a smaller team of advocates making community decisions, but when I suggested such a thing I got creamed. But I think you spend more time complaining on how much you hate this thread, and my posts in particular, then on proposing viable solutions to the problems you are seeing. And this is really not helpful.


Allyson - May 16, 2003 2:53:07 pm PDT #2007 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Allyson, you've made it pretty clear whom you want making decisions, and whom you don't want involved in the process.

I think you'd be very surpised.

And this is really not helpful.

YMMV


Jesse - May 16, 2003 2:57:44 pm PDT #2008 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Sophia, I'd rather have a small team of advocates make community decisions on behalf of the community.

Yeah, me too.

Quick! Let's consense!!

Just kidding.


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 3:00:46 pm PDT #2009 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Jesse-- you just about made me bust a gut.


Jesse - May 16, 2003 3:02:03 pm PDT #2010 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Just so we're all clear, I was only kidding about trying to solidify a bullshit consensus.


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 3:05:43 pm PDT #2011 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, reading WX Bureacracy 1 (date 2001) is actually amusing me because we are fighting about thread proliferation. pretty much with the same posters and the same arguments. No wonder we all got irritated, it was the same arguement for 3 years!


Nutty - May 16, 2003 3:07:20 pm PDT #2012 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Jesse: The Gang of One.

She's so certain, she consenses with her own self.


Lyra Jane - May 16, 2003 3:20:36 pm PDT #2013 of 10005
Up with the sun

Allyson, it sounds from your posts as though you think our regular voter turnout of 85-100 is low.

I don't think it is. We may have over 900 registered users, but that's everyone who ever registered. I'd be surprised if our bank of active posters ("active" meaning more than 1 post/week) was more than 150 people. Out of that, an 85-person turnout is pretty good.

As for moderation via a Council of Watchers, eh. I'm another one who has suggested it and seen it get shot down before my page refreshed. I don't think it would be the Worst Idea Evah, but I do think the process of deciding who they were, assigning duties, and figuring out governing policies (things like lifetime duty vs. short terms, elected vs. appointed vs. randomly chosen, etc.) would tear this board apart FAR more than it would save us trouble.