Not meaning to shut you out, Lyra Jane, but I think that your concerns should go in lightbulbs when it opens, since the proposal received all of its secondsies.

Nutty, ita, I'm cool with whichever way people want to do things, I suppose. I'm leaning more towards ita's opinion, because it's easier to focus on one thing at a time.

But can I be obnoxious and ask why an all Tim, all the time thread?

LJ, no offense, but that question should wait for discussion. Allyson's gotten the four seconds and to debate the proposal's appropriateness here is contrary to the purpose of the discussion thread.

ETA: total xpost with brenda and allyson

There's a six month moratorium on stuff we've already decided, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away? What does that mean? Someone can propose that we rename the Phoenix, "Allyson's Diner?"

I don't think any of us need to go there. This way lies madness and despair.

Not meaning to shut you out, Lyra Jane, but I think that your concerns should go in lightbulbs when it opens, since the proposal received all of its secondsies.

Agreed -- I just didn't want to lose my thought! I'll copy and paste into lightbulb when the time comes.

This way lies madness and despair.

I'm already there. I'm Worst Case Scenario Gurl. What's the Worst Case Scenario? Can we live that? It's where I'm at, mentally, all the time. What's the worst thing that can happen if we make this decision?

To me, if all of our decisions turn to pumpkins at midnight, it's anarchy. Hey, where's Victor?

To me, if all of our decisions turn to pumpkins at midnight, it's anarchy.

They don't. Trust the Buffistas to have the minimum amount of good sense to decide which decisions can be re-discussed, and which are eternal.

They don't. Trust the Buffistas to have the minimum amount of good sense to decide which decisions can be re-discussed, and which are eternal.

Why?

If eternal yammering really is the true price of freedom, and if we can yammer long enough to render the grandfather clause proposal moot, then should we quietly sort of pretend we consensed over it? Like quietly allowing old men to keep their rent control until they die? Not like, with all the thread realignment I'm foreseeing, anything else (except emergencies) can get voted on in the next, oh, month.

Betsy, as proposer, I guess I'm sort of asking you whether you'd feel OK withdrawing Grandfather as almost unnecessary, so Allyson may proceed. Or anyway, I think I'm under the impression that it's almost unnecessary, so correct me if I'm wrong. What do you think?

Put it up in Discussion, and I'll withdraw it if we agree it's unnecessary. I'm uncomfortable unilaterally withdrawing it, because part of my impulse to withdraw is that I'm sick of the whole damned thing.

Suggestion - we hold the grandfather proposal like a big stick.

If someone challenges a decision that would fall under it, before the six months expires, then discussing and voting on it gets priority above that challenge. If not, yeah, what Nutty said about consensing around it, sounds good. Although, I am not going to argue against Betsy if she still wants to go with it, because she's already waited so long. FWIW, I don't think we need the complete list before we vote on Betsy's and I have no problems with how she originally worded it.

xpost with Betsy. Her post made me decide to withdraw this suggestion.

They don't. Trust the Buffistas to have the minimum amount of good sense to decide which decisions can be re-discussed, and which are eternal.

Why?

Because the alternative is another long and torturous series of endless kibbitzing and quibbling to define the rules and framework of, among other things, what is up for re-discussion and what isn't, what falls under the moratorium and what doesn't, and whether the original moratorium vote included ordinarily non-re-discussable elements or not.

In other words, trust the Buffistas to avoid all the things you say you hated about this thread.