Okay. So. Resolved: There shall be no insulting of holders of minority opinions Bureaucracy thread in future. Yes? Yes? It does nothing to help and everything to hinder civil conversation.
Jayne (Husband): Oh, I think you might wanna reconsider that last part. See, I married me a powerful ugly creature. Mal (Wife): How can you say that? How can you shame me in front of new people? Jayne (Husband): If I could make you purtier, I would. Mal (Wife): You are not the man I met a year ago.
'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Trudy Booth - May 12, 2003 2:39:31 pm PDT #1848 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Steph L. - May 12, 2003 2:40:38 pm PDT #1849 of 10005
I look more rad than Lutheranism
There shall be no insulting of holders of minority opinions Bureaucracy thread in future.
Fine, as long as "voicing an opposing opinion" isn't the definition of "insulting."
Cindy - May 12, 2003 2:41:03 pm PDT #1850 of 10005
Nobody
The fact that one of two holders of an unpopular opinion, has just been advised to leave
Trudy - where did this happen? Because I didn't see it and have been reading, not skipping or skimming. I'm wondering if there isn't a misunderstanding somewhere. The only suggestion I saw for anyone to go anywhere was Allyson's suggestion that Michael try another board in the interim (with "Mikey" being mieskie).
Also, Jon apologized to Wolfram and all he offended for the social capital remark.
Wolfram - May 12, 2003 2:41:32 pm PDT #1851 of 10005
Visilurking
Exactly. Wolfram -- Why didn't you ask Michael about the sitch before posting your social-capital-reducing plea?
Um, I did. Michael wants to come back. He'd love to come back. But he did not want to be the person who causes all these feelings. I posted this on my own accord because I wanted this issue addressed by the community. Michael did not go around asking Buffistas to post stuff on his behalf, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to come back.
And when it comes to social-capital I've resigned myself to being a spendthrift. People still think I'm the guy who wants to change the board (I don't), wants to revisit all the old issues (I don't), doesn't care who he hurts in his defense of a banned individual (I do), and pretty much can't let it go (I can).
Second---if he's willing to wait for two months then why are any of us talking about it?
Askye, Steph, everyone - telling Michael to wait two more months on a maybe is just not right. Either the issue is up for discussion in two months or it's not.
He doesn't want to wait one more day. He thought as I did that the suspension would be lifted after two months, and it wasn't. His email to the stompies was timed to approach that date and he was told to wait two more months and then maybe it can be brought up but probably not. That's a long way from, "wait two months and we'll discuss it".
But he did not ask me to spend social capital on this. He did not reregister so he could present his side. If you want to know if he's "willing" to wait, what choice does he have?
Cindy - May 12, 2003 2:43:53 pm PDT #1852 of 10005
Nobody
Wheeeeeeee! Just lifted from Beep me!
Announcement
Jacqueline Zahas and David Smay announce their engagement to be married.
Really. No kidding.
May, 2004.
askye - May 12, 2003 2:44:38 pm PDT #1853 of 10005
Thrive to spite them
He was not suspended. He was banned.
Steph L. - May 12, 2003 2:44:54 pm PDT #1854 of 10005
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Jacqueline Zahas and David Smay announce their engagement to be married.
We don't have to vote on that, do we?....
Cashmere - May 12, 2003 2:47:35 pm PDT #1855 of 10005
Now tagless for your comfort.
>He was not suspended. He was banned.
exactly!
Wolfram - May 12, 2003 2:49:29 pm PDT #1856 of 10005
Visilurking
Congrats to JZ and DS. May you never have to use the word quorum during your wedding planning.
askye - May 12, 2003 2:54:18 pm PDT #1857 of 10005
Thrive to spite them
Quorum came up today when I was reading about how to format minutes for corporations and beacuse of B'cracy I knew what it was. The only good thing that came out of the whole quorum mess in my opinion.