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Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Jesse - Apr 22, 2003 10:36:46 am PDT #1000 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Am I wearing a Jesse costume today or something? That's two people who've called me that today.

Who, msbelle? I think she was referring to what I said, but if you said the same thing, well, I guess we just have to stop agreeing with each other so as to avoid name confusion.


Typo Boy - Apr 22, 2003 10:37:06 am PDT #1001 of 10005
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

oops sorry Jess. Too many threads open at once.


Jessica - Apr 22, 2003 10:41:37 am PDT #1002 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Who, msbelle? I think she was referring to what I said, but if you said the same thing, well, I guess we just have to stop agreeing with each other so as to avoid name confusion.

Wait, you mean we aren't living in my world where everything is about me? When did that happen?


amych - Apr 22, 2003 10:41:44 am PDT #1003 of 10005
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think after a few attempts of the Pack o' Trolls trying to get people kicked out people would twig to the fact that the Pack o' Trolls were the ones violating the community standards.

Bingo.


bitterchick - Apr 22, 2003 10:45:29 am PDT #1004 of 10005

Okay, I feel like I missed a memo. Where does this concern for troll packs and bullying gangs come from?

I mean, this was mentioned, back before the vote, and it was pointed out that troll packs and bullying gangs are really freaking obvious. It's not like our Stompies are brain dead or paid personnel that don't frequent these threads and don't know who's who. They post here. They know the names of posters. They know people's posting styles.

If 10 random people just show up one day and demand a warning, I think the Stompy on duty is going to notice that they've been here for, like, five minutes and that they’re being really obvious. A coordinated attack of Buffista bullies? Again really freaking obvious.

I’m not getting this.


Jesse - Apr 22, 2003 10:51:56 am PDT #1005 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Wait, you mean we aren't living in my world where everything is about me? When did that happen?

Ah, now I see where the confusion is coming from. Everything is about me.


Jessica - Apr 22, 2003 10:53:12 am PDT #1006 of 10005
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Then why am I still wearing this cowboy hat?


Cindy - Apr 22, 2003 10:55:39 am PDT #1007 of 10005
Nobody

Gar's concerns specifically involved the pack of trolls, bitterchick. I'm not so sure about Trudy's. Trudy may have wanted recourse in situations where she felt everyday Buffistas were being unjust. But I can't go back and check because my head went 'spodey before I even powered up my PC this morning.

Gar - I'm glad that satisfies you. Thanks to you, too, Jon.


Lyra Jane - Apr 22, 2003 11:02:46 am PDT #1008 of 10005
Up with the sun

To address the concern about no written policy on spam, what if we edited this:

While we may occasionally mention Buffy or Buffista-related goods, please don't spam us. Thanks. Besides, we all have large penises already.

To this:

While we may occasionally mention Buffy or Buffista-related goods, please don't spam us. It'll be deleted and you'll be banned if you do; besides, we all have large penises already.

As for the other question ... I agree the "army of trolls" scenario is unlikely, but I do think we should have a written process to rescind a warning/suspension/ban. That will help us if the punishment was asked for maliciously, or if for whatever reasons we decide we want someone to come back. (e.g., if a community member has some sort of life crisis that results in the Internet equivalent of temporary insanity, and 6 months later they email Stompies, apologize, explain, and otherwise make it clear their desire to make amends is sincere, and people are willing to give them a second chance.)

As to what that policy should be ... I have no idea.


Kat - Apr 22, 2003 11:17:27 am PDT #1009 of 10005
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm sorry that we're still discussing this. I thought voting meant that we could stop?

In a practical situation that seems to be occuring, can we look at the rules in action?

Caroma posted here about Gar asking for an official warning. She (didn't at the time but would know) need 10 people to agree and it didn't happen. Instead, people responded to her request and explained why they disagreed. I do foresee this continuing to happen in this way. People will say "I agree" or "I don't agree" and they discuss it. We're buffistas. It's what we do.

I'm sure there are 10 people at any given time who would like to either have me warned or banned. I'm sure I have at least 10 people who think I'm a wrong headed crackpot. But I also do believe that we are rule following for the most part and I have faith in the collective maturity that makes it socially unpopular to go about dinging anyone except the most egregious of people.