Plus bonus points for use of the word 'mosey'.

Oz ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Oct 22, 2018 5:24:05 am PDT #982 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

It runs with an app, but I can't really let it be too warm in here when I'm not home because of the dog.


Jessica - Oct 22, 2018 5:34:13 am PDT #983 of 30019
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I had the full auto settings in play for the first time today, and it was all too hot, so I just used my phone to adjust it for tomorrow!

I love this about my Nest!


-t - Oct 22, 2018 6:39:49 am PDT #984 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Woohoo successful thermostat installation!

I am having a problem with my brain being missing today. Maybe more coffee will help.


Jesse - Oct 22, 2018 6:54:42 am PDT #985 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

We put in a programmable thermostat 10 years ago, and at the time, it felt totally cutting edge, because we could program it to turn the heat down before bedtime and down while we were at work, and then turn it back up 20 minutes before we got home.

Yeah, until now I've just had a dial on the wall, so who knows what I was even setting it for!


meara - Oct 22, 2018 8:08:38 am PDT #986 of 30019

I wish I could have fancy thermostat adjusting but I have weird heating. Though actually I think my friend I'm staying with right now has a fancy thermostat...though I'm not sure the heat is actually connected to the room I'm staying in (luckily I like to sleep cold?)

I'm deep diving into some blogs and journal articles to figure out if I should still be on opioids—am I a wimp or am I trying too hard to tough it out? I have no idea!! I am down to about 4 pills a day but yesterday tried to go to theee and that felt like a mistake (ow). But that also means I will run out just before my appointment. Fortuitous timing, or will they refuse a refill? No idea.

But in reading articles, one noted that most places in the world prescribe a lot less opioids. And did a study and said part of the opioid use was associated with state of mind—people who were having panicked thoughts and catastrophic thinking were likely to use more opioids. Which...I wanted to say "well SURE the people in the Netherlands had less panic, they have universal healthcare and probably a lot more support post-op in terms of therapy and assistance. Here people are worrying about losing their job and running out of money and hospital bills!!"


Jesse - Oct 22, 2018 8:17:43 am PDT #987 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't know anything about anything, but were you replacing the opioids with other painkillers, or trying to replace them with gritting it out? (Also, my browser doesn't know the word opioid??)


Steph L. - Oct 22, 2018 8:18:11 am PDT #988 of 30019
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I'm deep diving into some blogs and journal articles to figure out if I should still be on opioids—am I a wimp or am I trying too hard to tough it out? I have no idea!!

My personal opinion (ie, not rooted in evidence-based guidelines) is that pain is highly variable from patient to patient, and while the average patient might be off opioids by now*, not every patient will be. I think cutting yourself a break is called for, along with sufficient pain management, even if that means opioids.

My knowledge based on evidence-based guidelines is that they want you off them as quickly as possible, and that non-opioid painkillers (ie, Tylenol [aka NOTHING BUT A PLACEBO FUCK YOU TYLENOL YOU ARE A LIE**]) work as effectively as opioids for mild to moderate pain.

Honestly? Take them if you need them, since you have them. Be honest with your clinician about your pain level, and maybe they won't prescribe a refill of as many as before, but they might prescribe some.

*(Some patients don't need painkillers even in extreme circumstances. Exhibit A: my mother, who had open-heart surgery and didn't take any opioids after the first day [when she was mostly unconscious and wasn't able to decide whether or not she needed them]. People like this are outliers and ruin data sets. Ignore them.)

**(No, seriously, Tylenol might as well be M&Ms for all the good they do me. They do help with Tim's arthritis pain, though, so YTylenolMV.)


Steph L. - Oct 22, 2018 8:19:06 am PDT #989 of 30019
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

(Also, my browser doesn't know the word opioid??)

Mine doesn't, either, which makes me like O_o, browser, do you know what I do for a living? (My Google search history makes me look like the most confusing junkie in the world.)


meara - Oct 22, 2018 8:35:57 am PDT #990 of 30019

Lol! Opioid...mine knows it now?

To be clear the study was comparing people in the Netherlands (who took few or no opioids post surgery) to those in the US.

I don't think I'd want/need as many as they prescribed the first time—it's been two weeks and I've been tapering off by 1-2 per day as the prescription recommended, until the last couple days. And yes, they also have me on 3000mg of Tylenol and some gabapentin, in addition to those. (Plus blood thinner, which I super hate injecting).


Steph L. - Oct 22, 2018 8:41:52 am PDT #991 of 30019
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

they also have me on 3000mg of Tylenol

3000 mg of M&Ms!