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Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 15, 2019 7:02:51 am PDT #6890 of 30019
What is even happening?

I work for myself, aurelia, so although dh and I file jointly, my taxes are filed on a schedule C form. I'm still taxed at a higher rate, because I'm self-employed, but I also still wrote off the same things. What changed there?

We more or less came out even on paying the feds / getting a refund from the state, which is better than we did last year by a whole bunch.

We got a bigger than usual refund from our state too, Jessica, but it wouldn't have been enough, if dh hadn't overpaid FICA.

We were not hit quite as much as usual, because husband was unemployed for more than half of the year. If everything had remained the same as last year (which also involved some months of him being unemployed), our bill would have gone up by thousands of dollars, I think.

Ugh, Dana. I mean, I'm glad you weren't hit with an increase, but it sucks that your taxes basically held steady in a year of significant unemployment. That's just broken.

Hates and Fears Tax Season (because I don't know what I'm doing)

Yup. It's not just you (or your relative knowledge, Amy). It's also way less predictable than it ought to be.

I still can't get past the fact that if I am claiming zero allowances (that is, I'm saying, "Please do not reduce my withholding,") and then am having them withhold extra besides that, that I still would have had to pay an additional $5K when I file.

That's just crazy. If the government says to me, "We're gonna withhold some of your pay, so that when we bill you for taxes, you will have already been paying toward it, so how many allowances would you like us to make for you?" and I say, "Zero. Make zero allowances for me," that should at least mean I don't owe the government any money.

We don't know what to expect for next year's taxes (i.e. taxes on our 2019 income), because our 2018 income was way more than we made in 2017 or will make in 2019.


aurelia - Apr 15, 2019 7:23:09 am PDT #6891 of 30019
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Ok, I was wrong about the 1099 part. It looks like Schedule A is where the impact is (and the elimination of Form 2106). [link]

Actors, Directors and Performers

The major change in the new tax bill is the elimination of the deduction for employee business expenses (Form 2106). This is going to have a devastating effect for many employed performers as Actors Equity, SAG-AFTRA and other organizations require that compensation be paid on a W-2. As of 2018, these performers lose all ability to take their professional, out of pocket expenses.

As most of you know the QPA (Qualifying Performing Artists) is, and has been, virtually worthless for many years as the qualifying threshold is unrealistically low. This has traditionally moved the deductions for the professional actor, actress, model and performer to Schedule A as miscellaneous itemized deductions, and these are what the new tax bill eliminates.

In planning for this change the performer has 2 options;

The simplest approach is asking the payor to lower compensation and reimburse the out of pocket expenses or Set up what is called a "loan out" corporation. The concept of a loan out corporation is that the buyer of the talent pays the artist's company instead of the performer directly. The performer then becomes an employee of their own corporation and takes all the associated deductions 100% directly on the corporate tax return. In that way, the performer gets the full value of all the associated business expenses, including the new 199A "business income deduction" if qualified, as well as obtaining the liability protection that the corporation gives them. In exchange for this, of course, the performer complicates their life substantially with the administrative hassles of the corporation so one must carefully weigh out the pros and cons before jumping in.

Remember actors and other performers are considered "specified service businesses" under Section 199A.

Musicians and Singers

One of the key changes in the new tax bill is the elimination of the deduction for employee business expenses. While many successful musicians receive W2 income from touring gigs, they generally also have substantial income from self-employment for teaching, session work or private gigs. There has been no significant change in deductions for self-employed taxpayers; Schedule C stays virtually untouched. All direct business expenses for the musicians' independent, free-lance (1099) work will keep all allowable deductions intact moving into 2018. Again, in 2018 the one change will be the inability to deduct expenses directly associated with W2 employment. In this case, the touring musician with significant out of pocket expenses related to W2 income would be better to receive lower compensation and have the touring company reimburse them their expenses.

Remember musicians, singers and other performers are considered "specified service businesses" under Section 199A.

Writers

In our opinion, writers will see little or no change in the deductibility of their direct writing expenses. A vast majority of independent writers are considered self-employed (remember, writer royalties are considered earned/self-employment income for the creator) and there has been no significant change in deductions for self-employed taxpayers; Schedule C stays virtually untouched. Current regulations indicate that writers (those not connected with the performing arts) will also enjoy the full benefit of the new 199A net income deduction under 2017 TCJA tax bill.

Many independent writers also teach. Their teaching income is reported on form W2 and, therefore, the deductions associated with the W2 income will be lost in 2018 but not their direct expenses for writing and research.

Remember writers that are not "integral to the creation of the performing arts" are not considered "specified service businesses" under Section 199A. If you have substantial income as a writer consider structuring your writing business as an "loan out" S corporation and (continued...)


aurelia - Apr 15, 2019 7:23:10 am PDT #6892 of 30019
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

( continues...) paying yourself payroll to leverage the new 199A deduction.

Visual Artists

In our opinion, visual artists will see little or no change in the deductibility of their direct art expenses. A clear majority of independent artists are considered self-employed (remember, an artist's income is considered earned/self-employment income for the creator) and there has been no significant change in deductions for self-employed visual artists; Schedule C stays virtually untouched. Current regulations indicate that visual artists not connected with the performing arts will also enjoy the full benefit of the new 199A net income deduction under 2017 TCJA tax bill.

Many independent visual artists also teach. If their teaching income is reported on form W2 then those teaching deductions, formally taken on Form 2106 as itemized deductions will be lost in 2018.

Remember, visual artists that are not creating art work "integral to the creation of the performing arts" are not considered "specified service businesses" under Section 199A. If you have substantial income as a visual artist, consider structuring your art business as an "loan out" S corporation and paying yourself payroll to leverage the new 199A deduction.


Tom Scola - Apr 15, 2019 7:28:49 am PDT #6893 of 30019
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Syd Barrett visits his accountant.


meara - Apr 15, 2019 7:31:11 am PDT #6894 of 30019

That sounds very complicated, aurelia!! I did my taxes a couple months ago, and got way less back than usual, but I did still get a refund—I did the numbers and I did technically pay less % in taxes this year, it was just the lower return. But still felt like a bummer!

I just had a meeting with my new manager. Cons: she's located in Scotland so there's very little overlap in our available schedules. Pros: she has a super cute Scottish accent so listening to her is extra fun!


dcp - Apr 15, 2019 7:35:37 am PDT #6895 of 30019
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

I used TaxAct this year, weeks and weeks ago ... and it never came back. I'm assuming that means they actually got filed, but I wish there was some kind of confirmation email or something

Amy, if you didn't get an email confirmation of your efile being accepted or rejected, log back into your account to check there. Also, if you are expecting a tax refund, you can check the refund status tool at the IRS web site.

If your efile got rejected before April 15, there is a procedure you can use which will give you 3 extra days to get a paper return postmarked and in the mail.

If your efile was rejected due to a name/ssn/dob mismatch, consider that the IRS gets that info from the SSA, so you should find out from the SSA exactly how you are listed. It won't help for this year, but will for next.

(Disclosure: I work for H&R Block, doing systems QA and support. I am not a tax preparer.)


-t - Apr 15, 2019 7:37:11 am PDT #6896 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Well, it didn't take me long to how through H&R Block and filllout the forms but I am shocked at how much I have to pay. Somehow only $150 was witheld last year for my federal taxes so I owe a buttload. How can that be? Whatevs, I'll pay in installments, but I am strongly tempted to just not file at all and gamble that the understaffed IRS won't find me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 15, 2019 7:42:38 am PDT #6897 of 30019
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My condolences about your cat, Scrappy.

I have a lot extra withheld every paycheck because I don't miss the tiny bit extra every couple weeks but 26 paychecks' worth in the spring helps me with the big extra expenses that my parents inevitably run into. Now I'm wondering if the unexpectedly easy tax software messed up when filing, because I only got back about $300 less than usual. Maybe there's some "he's a middle-aged white dude from the South, unlikely to be a Liberal" algorithm that protected my refund.


aurelia - Apr 15, 2019 7:44:03 am PDT #6898 of 30019
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

That sounds very complicated, aurelia!!

Not for me so much since I've got a full time gig, but I'm seeing a lot of actors and directors who weren't aware of the changes until now.


Jesse - Apr 15, 2019 7:53:51 am PDT #6899 of 30019
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I have to confess that I reported the wrong amount of income to Mass this year -- I did them at the same time, but then the Feds reminded me I hadn't added in my interest income, which is dozens of dollars. I didn't fix the MA filing, so I'm expecting them to come for their $1.50 any time now.