You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Nov 04, 2020 1:20:20 pm PST #28788 of 30019
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I have also completely lost track of what day it is. Although we are approximately 65 days into this week, it is somehow Wednesday.


DavidS - Nov 04, 2020 1:27:12 pm PST #28789 of 30019
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I was already shaky from lack of sleep, and now I’m extra shaky from the horrible tantrum.

Emmett had a full on body rage tantrum once a day from about 18 months to 2 1/2. And even then it only slowed down gradually until he was 4. At which point he started to mellow down a bit and just got more and more fun minus a few surly dips in adolescence.

It was exhausting. But strong willed kids are just trying to effect their will on their world, and that's the only way they've got. It's just her age, sj, and it will get better.


lisah - Nov 04, 2020 1:41:29 pm PST #28790 of 30019
Punishingly Intricate

AP hasn't called Michigan yet, though.


Atropa - Nov 04, 2020 1:46:53 pm PST #28791 of 30019
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

It was exhausting. But strong willed kids are just trying to effect their will on their world, and that's the only way they've got. It's just her age, sj, and it will get better.

Yep. All of this.


Dana - Nov 04, 2020 2:00:05 pm PST #28792 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

NYT also says Biden has Michigan.


bennett - Nov 04, 2020 2:13:15 pm PST #28793 of 30019

Even Fox is saying Biden won Michigan, FWIW. Which I'm finding interesting - I figured they'd jump on Trump's claims that he's won, but they're sticking reasonably close to the official counts.


sj - Nov 04, 2020 2:23:33 pm PST #28794 of 30019
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Sorry. I didn’t mean to whine and run. TCG came home for a few minutes and we explained to ltc that apologizing after such an epic tantrum was not sufficient to get tv time back. There are consequences. Then we retired to our corners. I finished reading a book and ltc did a yoga video which was the only tv I would allow her to have. Then we read a chapter of one of her Ramona books. Now we’re having dinner.

I was honestly hopeful we would avoid the huge tantrums because she didn’t really have them at 2 or 3, and she has a huge vocabulary and is perfectly capable of explaining her grievances to us.

Thanks for all the sympathy and similar stories. They help.


Jessica - Nov 04, 2020 2:39:11 pm PST #28795 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

In my experience, the Terrible Twos are vastly overstated, and more parents need to be talking about the Fucking Fours.

At the risk of being an enormous asshole, I'm finding it really difficult to celebrate the wins in Wisconsin and Michigan because 2016 me just wants to scream WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU YOU SEXIST MOTHERFUCKERS.


sj - Nov 04, 2020 2:44:41 pm PST #28796 of 30019
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

How about the not so fabulous fives? ltc is 5.


Jessica - Nov 04, 2020 2:47:26 pm PST #28797 of 30019
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

ltc is 5.

Fucking Fives also! (And how did I lose a year??? Oh right...)