I miss Oz. He'd get it. He wouldn't say anything, but he'd get it.

Xander ,'Get It Done'


Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Jun 03, 2020 11:07:20 am PDT #21968 of 30019
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Any time somebody brings up the "states' rights" thing with the Civil War, I just ask them sweetly about the Fugitive Slave Act, and shouldn't that have meant that if a slave escaped to Ohio were they or weren't they a free person?

If they then say something about retrieving ones property, I then ask them if they think that a human being should be property. Or if a state has the right to declare that a human being is property.

Usually I end up getting called names when it's clear their logic is so many false assumptions, but hey, fun times.


Steph L. - Jun 03, 2020 11:09:51 am PDT #21969 of 30019
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

If they then say something about retrieving ones property, I then ask them if they think that a human being should be property. Or if a state has the right to declare that a human being is property.

A woman told me with 100% sincerity that some slave owners treated their slaves well. I pointed out that literally owning another human being as chattel was the very definition of treating a person horribly. She didn't understand. Holy balls.


Consuela - Jun 03, 2020 11:11:55 am PDT #21970 of 30019
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, yeah, Theo, the Fugitive Slaves Act was the classic example of the ideological justification (state's rights!) being undercut by the actual thing. Why should slaveowners from Georgia be entitled to help from Massachusetts law enforcement to capture people who are free in Mass?


Laura - Jun 03, 2020 11:13:05 am PDT #21971 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

msbelle, try not to be so hard on yourself. You started this job right at the beginning of the craziness. You have stepped up under really tough conditions. You are working on solving the issues, and that is all that can be expected.

Well, more charges filed, and murder charge changed to 2nd degree. Stuff is happening. Maybe things will quiet down as far as the looting and so forth. The peaceful protests will no doubt dwindle as that is the normal course of events.

What has not been the normal course of events is anything taking place in the White House. I feel I am always holding my breath in fear of what he is going to do next.


Theodosia - Jun 03, 2020 11:17:41 am PDT #21972 of 30019
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

"Some" slave owners. There was no laws about what you could do to your slaves, btw -- there was nothing even like the ASPCA to charge you with cruelty if you cut off their toes or ears (a common punishment for running away btw), whipped them to death or burned them alive (all recorded historically) to "encourage" the others.

Some slaves got treated like family because, well, they were, though it was more common to not acknowledge the relationship. But in the end, they were property that would outlive the master, and then would most likely be sold off to pay off debts or settle the estate among the heirs. Or, since chattel slavery was largely agricultural, it could take just one crop failure for the plantation to go bankrupt.

(This is why I don't get invited to parties in the South, I guess.)


DebetEsse - Jun 03, 2020 11:23:08 am PDT #21973 of 30019
Woe to the fucking wicked.

askye, my dude, no. Look, I dated that guy. For YEARS. Your feelings are irrational, but his are just good logic. It is not worth your time and aggravation. We have all had various experiences in our lives. His, apparently, have not done a damn thing to make him less self-centered, and it IS NOT YOUR JOB to fix it. As you have now seen, it is basically unfixable. This is a guy who will have a "fun debate" about things that affect you personally and emotionally, and then get butthurt when you point out that it's upsetting to you.

You do not have the spoons for this at this time. If you want to send him a message, go with something short and unarguable, and then be DONE.


msbelle - Jun 03, 2020 11:29:57 am PDT #21974 of 30019
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

really, everyone who crosses your path does not deserve or require your time. Right now - stick with the friends you already know and be happy for any brief shallow pleasant experience with others.


Cashmere - Jun 03, 2020 11:42:19 am PDT #21975 of 30019
Now tagless for your comfort.

Even if New Friend is a friend. He's still in probationary period. It doesn't hurt to try out a friendship and decide to back off to acquaintance.


Dana - Jun 03, 2020 11:45:43 am PDT #21976 of 30019
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

UGH. I am not over-worked. This is not more than one person can do.

In a normal situation. This is not a normal situation.


Sheryl - Jun 03, 2020 11:54:44 am PDT #21977 of 30019
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

So Nova went to the vet, where they noted she had lost a lot of weight. Blood tests show kidney disease and hyperthyroidism. They gave me prescriptions for thyroid meds(to be given every 12 hours) and an appetite stimulant to be given every three days. They took x-rays also.

Meanwhile Mr. S has been horrible today. The meds don't seem to be doing anything for his focus. It's been a rough day.