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Natter 76: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Foaminess  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Nov 07, 2018 7:33:03 am PST #1708 of 30019
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

It's more like a Big Blue Splash, but I'll take it. News from NH is that it turned out Very Blue, and Maine now has a Dem governor.


askye - Nov 07, 2018 7:37:16 am PST #1709 of 30019
Thrive to spite them

I had to leave work because of an anxiety attack. Not like an emotional one this is pure physical. It is rather odd not to be anxious about something but having my body react like it is.


DavidS - Nov 07, 2018 7:49:58 am PST #1710 of 30019
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I know people worked their asses off in FL, GA and TX to get the vote as close as they did.

So those are disappointing losses, but in FL and GA those margins are razor thin, and it's a huge advance in TX.

Taking the House back was by far the most important element of the election and the Dems did that. That puts an immediate brake on Trump's agenda. And allows all sorts of oversight.

I'm really heartened by all the grassroots advances by the Dems, and the women of color they put in the House. That's the future of the Democratic Party.

I think the Dems need to really focus on getting control of states - that was the Republican strategy back in 2010, and it had a huge effect in their voter suppression tactics.

Fighting for enfranchisement is really one of the biggest issues, and that needs to be a priority. The system has allowed for too much shenanigans.

I don't know what to tell the people that are crushingly disappointed by the results. I presume they weren't grinding down on every poll the way I was like a political junkie.

2016 wasn't just some aberration. The country is really deeply divided. Dems fought hard and got the win they needed.

The great work continues.


Zenkitty - Nov 07, 2018 7:58:47 am PST #1711 of 30019
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Overall I'm satisfied with how things went last night. Not completely happy, I wanted Beto and Gillum to win, and I'm still holding out hope for Abrams. But we got the House, which is huge, and lots of excellent results, and we have not seen the last of Beto, Gillum, or Abrams. Frankly I suspect voter-rigging shenanigans in all three of those races, but doubt that'll ever be investigated.

I listened to Abrams not-concession speech and man, she is a force of nature. She is not going away.


DavidS - Nov 07, 2018 8:09:07 am PST #1712 of 30019
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I agree, Zen. Beto, Gillums and Abrams are all important figures for the future of the Democratic party. Really impressive candidates.

I'm also really heartened to see some important Midwest swings towards the Democrats. Those are going to be hugely important in the 2020 election. The ruling against gerrymandering in PA will be huge. Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Iowa had good results.

Fucking, Ohio, though! Pissing me off.

On the other hand, I'm having warmer thoughts for Kansas and Oklahoma than I ever have before. And Iowa had some good results too. And New Mexico, and Arizona is really close.

In California, I will note that the entire Democratic leadership is not just Northern Californian but straight out of San Francisco. Gavin and DiFi were mayor. Kamala began as Gavin's DA. And Nancy Pelosi is my rep.

Auntie Maxine is SoCal though.

San Francisco values, y'all.


Steph L. - Nov 07, 2018 8:20:45 am PST #1713 of 30019
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Fucking, Ohio, though! Pissing me off.

Try being queer here. Yeesh. I thought this state was getting better, though my corner of it is more progressive than a lot of the rest of the state.


DavidS - Nov 07, 2018 8:22:53 am PST #1714 of 30019
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I lived in Ohio for four years! I want better for it.

Here's a comment from somebody campaigning in TX I'm pulling from a sports board:

"I know everyone wants to give their hot takes on Beto, but he ran a great campaign, and it boosted turnout everywhere in the state, and definitely pushed MANY Democrats over the edge to win House seats, as well as State House & Senate Seats. We flipped TWELVE State House seats, and TWO State Senate seats. Now, we're still far from having any kind of say in the legislative chambers, but this bodes well going forward. Dallas-Fort Worth itself flipped 7 of those seats. We worked really hard here in Dallas, and the numbers show it. And Tarrant County (Fort Worth, Arlington, etc.), longtime Republican stronghold, actually voted for Beto by a few thousand votes."


Steph L. - Nov 07, 2018 8:25:53 am PST #1715 of 30019
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I lived in Ohio for four years! I want better for it.

You and me both.


DavidS - Nov 07, 2018 8:34:35 am PST #1716 of 30019
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The red lean in Ohio has actually turned into a recruiting issue for my alma mater, Kenyon.

East and West Coast kids come out to tour the campus and they have to drive by miles and miles of Trump/Pence signs and they start rethinking their plan about that quaint liberal arts college out in the country.


Laura - Nov 07, 2018 8:36:42 am PST #1717 of 30019
Our wings are not tired.

I can read here and my newsfeeds, but have to take a FB vacation. I don't want to focus on the positive to feel better; I don't want to get more enraged. I just need to think about something else for a while. I didn't think I had outrageous expectations, but the losses in Florida were not expected. I'm filled with disgust for my neighbors. (not my immediate neighbors in my blue corner of the state, but the rest of the bigoted state)