I'm very sorry if she tipped off anyone about your cunningly concealed herd of cows.

Simon ,'Safe'

Boxed Set, Vol. VI: I am not a number, I am a free thread!

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.

Scrappy - Nov 07, 2016 12:14:30 pm PST #4 of 2003
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Ooh, still has the new thread smell.

Typo Boy - Nov 07, 2016 12:18:45 pm PST #5 of 2003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Thought on Oliver Queen's incredibly shitty decision making and leadership skills. (TV only): I think this can be explained entirely from canon.

1) Both parents were members of a terrorist organization. Both parents cheated on each other. While young Oliver may have missed many specific lies, he undoubtedly picked up on the general atmosphere of dishonesty along with the whiff of self-righteous "everything I do wrong is for the greater good/deserved by the victim". Kids are sensitive to this stuff. There were strong hints that he and young Merlin both chose irresponsibility as an alternative to a version of adulthood they saw as worse than being useless. Father's dying words confirmed that he had spent most of his life doing wrong, and even when he started doing right deceived Oliver right up a minute before death.

2) His first mentor, later to become a Super-Villian Deathstroke was already Black Ops, very pro-deceit (by the "good guys") and very ends-justify-the-means oriented. He also got training from his doomed love; her death reinforced both that he was incapable of protecting those he love and that the virtuous are doomed.

3) Enslaved by Argus, run by "The Wall" - again, deceit, torture, murder "for greater good"

4) Trained by the Bratva, Russian Mob in leadership and dealing with "team".

5) During infiltration of league of assassins, personally trained by Raj Al-Ghul

He knows this is not the way to be. But a large part of him associated lying, deceit, and end-justified-the-means behavior of adulthood and effectiveness. Openess, honesty , trust are for losers. Another part hates that part of him. Sp when he tries to be honest,, to treat people well, to set limits on what he is willing to do to reach goals, the part that thinks all that stuff is for children and the irresponsible sabotages him. When he tries to go dark, the par that knows that is wrong sabotages him. So whichever way he chooses, he will always sabotage himself. :Cause the ruthless half will always sabotage the part that wants to be a boy scout, and the boy scout will always sabotage the part that wants to be Amanda Waller.

This post sponsered by two hours on hold at Social Security and still waiting.

Rayne - Nov 07, 2016 12:40:35 pm PST #6 of 2003
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

Steph, speaking of Hamilton and Arrow, did you ever see this?

DXMachina - Nov 07, 2016 1:15:33 pm PST #7 of 2003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

And I love how they toss in this character who is apparently Wolverine-lite without any explanation (unless more explanation is forthcoming in this episode).

Where's Captain Exposition when you need him?

That was weird for me, too, along with the Boba Fett clone. I looked him up assuming he was a recent addition to the DC canon, but he's been around for a long time, going back to Action Comics in the 70's. I used to read Action every freakin' month in the 70's, and I don't remember him at all. There's also been not one, but two television adaptations, one starring Rick Springfield that I also don't remember, and another that lasted for two shortened seasons on Fox just a few years ago that I vaguely remember but didn't watch (and wouldn't have guessed that it was based on a comic).

I do wonder how many people thought the same thing about Constantine's guest turn.

quester - Nov 07, 2016 5:46:24 pm PST #8 of 2003
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

8? Ha ha!

Vortex - Nov 07, 2016 8:05:21 pm PST #9 of 2003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Top 10?

Jesse - Nov 08, 2016 6:16:57 am PST #10 of 2003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I don't even go here!

Toddson - Nov 08, 2016 6:41:14 am PST #11 of 2003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

JUST missed top ten!

DCJensen - Nov 09, 2016 7:12:22 pm PST #12 of 2003
All is well that ends in pizza.

I'm amused at how fast the fanfic is exploding IRT Alex Danvers/Maggie Sawyer on Supergirl.

AO3 has 133 Works in Alex Danvers/Maggie Sawyer already.

Dana - Nov 10, 2016 4:44:40 am PST #13 of 2003
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

So ALL OF RUSSIA knew that Oliver was alive, but the news never made it back to the U.S.