Wash: Don't fall asleep now. Sleepiness is weakness of character. Ask anyone. You're acting captain. Know what happens you fall asleep now? Zoe: Jayne slits my throat, and takes over. Wash: That's right. Zoe: And we can't stop it.

'Shindig'


Boxed Set, Vol. VI: I am not a number, I am a free thread!

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


-t - Dec 18, 2020 9:19:23 am PST #1745 of 2006
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Heh, go my selective memory only recalling the bits I like!


Jessica - Dec 18, 2020 9:26:51 am PST #1746 of 2006
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I have watched the entire series 3 times with half of my brain making ginormous sparkly heart-eyes at the two leads (plus John Hamm) and the other half scowling at almost every other casting/adaptation choice.


Steph L. - Dec 18, 2020 9:30:01 am PST #1747 of 2006
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

I have watched the entire series 3 times with half of my brain making ginormous sparkly heart-eyes at the two leads (plus John Hamm)

I mean, *was* there even anyone else in the show? Oh, I take it back; I also really loved War. (And I freaked out slightly when Famine showed up in S2 of Umbrella Academy.)


-t - Dec 18, 2020 9:51:53 am PST #1748 of 2006
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I mean, *was* there even anyone else in the show?

Right?


Calli - Dec 18, 2020 10:17:26 am PST #1749 of 2006
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

With Good Omens, the other author, Gaiman, was both extremely invested in preserving Pratchett’s intent/ideas and had a depth of understanding what made the book work because he’d helped create it. Add that to experience in writing for genre tv (Doctor Who), and you have a really strong support for getting it right. I don’t think Discworld has an equivalent.


DebetEsse - Dec 18, 2020 10:38:16 am PST #1750 of 2006
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I think it was one of the most successful adaptations, but that's for some "perfect storm" reasons...many of which boil down to "Neil Gaiman" Like, when the guy who co-wrote is it making decisions its a lot harder to argue with them.

I do think the miniseries is the right length for adaptations generally.

And I don't know that it's possible to get rid of the narrator without getting REAL creative (hovering text, using camera and editing as a sort of "silent narrator" with flashbacks and whatnot). It reminds me of the Muppet Christmas Carol essay. Without Dickens as a character, you lose the whole vibe.


Steph L. - Dec 18, 2020 10:44:52 am PST #1751 of 2006
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

With Good Omens, the other author, Gaiman, was both extremely invested in preserving Pratchett’s intent/ideas and had a depth of understanding what made the book work because he’d helped create it.

He wrote the cold open of episode 3 for the miniseries, and it fit so well that I really thought I forgot a huge chunk of the book. But, nope. When one of the authors of the book is the showrunner, he can add stuff that fits seamlessly.

I think it was one of the most successful adaptations, but that's for some "perfect storm" reasons...many of which boil down to "Neil Gaiman" Like, when the guy who co-wrote is it making decisions its a lot harder to argue with them.

Honestly, this. I read an interview with him where he said that he hated being the showrunner, but he felt like the series ended up being something that Terry would have loved, which was his (Gaiman's) only real goal.


chrismg - Dec 18, 2020 11:56:14 am PST #1752 of 2006
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

The narrator seemed OK to me in general, but I thought the way they did the bit where the babies are switched made it LESS comprehensible than the book.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 18, 2020 12:09:57 pm PST #1753 of 2006
"You should never say bad things about the dead, only good… Joan Crawford is dead. Good.” —Bette Davis

I think Gaiman succeeded far more at keeping Good Omens both delightful and true to its source than he appears to be doing with American Gods. Perhaps trying to preserve *another* author's vision rather than his own is what did the trick.


Consuela - Dec 18, 2020 1:06:05 pm PST #1754 of 2006
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I think w/rt Discworld, the problem for me is that a huge part of what makes Discworld so charming is Pratchett's voice. The sly asides, the footnotes, the brilliant sentences that work so perfectly and make you laugh out loud on the bus.

It's just so difficult to pull that off in a filmed adaptation, and the only way to do it would be with an equally-brilliant script writer. Of which there are very few indeed.

I mean, the characters and the world and the themes are all wonderful, but my favorite bit is the voice and I think it's un-recreatable in any other medium.