Mal: Can I come in? Inara: No. Mal: See? That's why I usually don't ask.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Boxed Set, Vol. VI: I am not a number, I am a free thread!

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


esse - Apr 30, 2020 9:48:15 am PDT #1621 of 2020
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

To be fair it is on the CW! There's only so many variations on young adult superpower adventure time they seem capable of telling, generally.

I haven't started the show yet, but I did watch the clip of the Beltane dance, because -- dancing. I really enjoyed this BTS featurette about the dance itself, which features the previz choreography:

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chrismg - Apr 30, 2020 11:18:34 am PDT #1622 of 2020
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

It's on Freeform. Which doesn't entirely invalidate your point... Between this, Siren and Cloak and Dagger, Freeform seems to be carving out a niche for "mildly edgy SFF network"


Dana - Apr 30, 2020 4:13:11 pm PDT #1623 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

esse, you wanted to talk about Roswell? This would be the place.


-t - Apr 30, 2020 4:47:03 pm PDT #1624 of 2020
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I haven't watched the show at all but that dance video is pretty delightful. I am just tickled by the thought that they hired a fight choreographer and then said "you can do musical numbers? Oh we are so using that!"


esse - Apr 30, 2020 5:53:30 pm PDT #1625 of 2020
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Oh right. I mentally conflate Freeform and The CW all the time. They definitely make similar products.

Dana! There was a threesome! They did that! And there was all the queerness!

I did not expect it, my bar is low, and yet o how I was rewarded.


Dana - Apr 30, 2020 6:08:08 pm PDT #1626 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Yeah, this is where being on Tumblr, which was mostly fun up until that point, kind of ruined things for me. The episode leaked early, and people immediately started with the drama, and there's a significant portion of the fandom that believes Maria and/or Michael sexually assaulted Alex.

Which makes me upset in a few different ways, not least of which is that I should have been able to totally enjoy what happened, and instead it was just kind of queasy.

However, plot- and relationship-wise, it's pretty fucking cool. I think Forrest is kind of terrible, but Michael and Maria are adorable, and I know the show is working on having Michael and Alex grow to the point where they can be in a healthy relationship with each other.


esse - Apr 30, 2020 7:20:47 pm PDT #1627 of 2020
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Aw, f'n tumblr. I have very little RNW content in my Tumblr feed, really just gifsets, and that's about how I like it.

WRT Alex -- what the fuck what the fuck what the *fuck*. I mean, I get it that people are like that. I am not at all surprised by that. But it was such a loving experience, love on a number of different levels, that I call complete bullshit on anything else. It was a healing threesome! Alex started to legitimately move on! And not just from Michael, but from his own shame and internalized homophobia and his long-term closet space too.

Heaven knows that if they'd wanted to keep the OT3 going I would have been super there for it, but you're exactly right, Michael and Alex need to grow up, separately and together, and could really do with being friends for a good stretch of time.

I am also not sold on Forrest, but honestly, he is exactly the kind of dude Alex would have had a college relationship with, had he gone to a lib arts school instead of the Air Force. It feels very on point for that relationship to happen, as Alex lets himself be himself, and the kind of delayed young adulthood folks -- especially gay cis men -- who come out of the closet a little bit later so often experience.

Honestly RNW is appointment television now, which is so hilarious to me, because I was very side-eye at the whole idea of a reboot. Once the season's over I'm pretty sure I'll go back and watch from 1x01 all the way through season two to see how it feels as a meta-narrative.

I have managed to convince myself not to try and read the books like I attempted once back in high school. I wish the fic was just a litttttttle bit further along, fandom wise, to engage with all the worldbuilding and mythology and not just the OTP(s).


Dana - May 01, 2020 5:18:02 am PDT #1628 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Yeah, about Alex: It really pisses me off and frankly makes me feel like they're diminishing the idea of actual sexual assault, but it's not really anything I have actual standing to get into. And not the kind of conversation that will go well on any level. But honestly, they could not have made it clearer that Alex was consenting.

I understand if people are protective of one of the few gay characters on TV, and if they feel like this is a betrayal of his sexuality, but it was all just really ugly. Let alone the usual racism and misogyny that's inevitable.

So far the theme of season 2 seems to be DNA. The details of the alien biology, but also with a really strong theme of motherhood and genetics running through it. Rosa and her addiction problems, the truth behind what happened to Michael's mother, the revelation that Maria's grandmother was experimented on and is passing that on to her descendants. Plus, Max basically altering Rosa's DNA.


Beverly - May 03, 2020 4:19:27 pm PDT #1629 of 2020
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

remind me, what is RNW?


Dana - May 03, 2020 4:30:30 pm PDT #1630 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Roswell, New Mexico. CW reboot of the old Roswell show, currently airing second season.