Does anybody else miss the Mayor? 'I just want to be a big snake.'

Xander ,'End of Days'


Boxed Set, Vol. VI: I am not a number, I am a free thread!

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


DXMachina - Jan 15, 2020 4:18:48 pm PST #1465 of 2020
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Like I had NO IDEA who was working with Dig and was there mourning Ollie.

Wild Dog and the new Black Canary.

One of the comments on AV Club mentioned that Routh's Superman has the yellow back in his costume, suggesting all his loved ones who originally died are alive again on this new Earth.

So how come some Earth's got combined and others didn't? Is the new Stargirl series gonna be set on Earth-2?

Barry meeting Ezra Miller!Barry was neat. So was the bit showing Green Lantern, although not showing which one. And seeing the Titans AND Doom Patrol (although on separate Earths, WTF?). And Brandon doing the Christopher Reeve finish was awesome.


DXMachina - Jan 15, 2020 5:13:24 pm PST #1466 of 2020
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

In other CW/DC news, Superman and Lois has been picked up.


Pix - Jan 15, 2020 5:54:43 pm PST #1467 of 2020
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Is it just me, or was that Doctor Who episode total crap? I love Jodie Whittaker, but I hate the way they are writing her. And I am the choir, and even I was annoyed by being preached to at the end.


billytea - Jan 15, 2020 6:10:13 pm PST #1468 of 2020
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Is it just me, or was that Doctor Who episode total crap? I love Jodie Whittaker, but I hate the way they are writing her. And I am the choir, and even I was annoyed by being preached to at the end.

...I liked some of the visual work? But no, that ep was astonishingly bad. Which is a great shame, because the writer did my favourite episode from last season. I don't know what went wrong here.

I will note that for Chibnall's era I've mostly complained about its moral incoherence, and at least this ep didn't have that. It wasn't complicated enough for incoherence. But I couldn't make head nor tail from the actual plot or pretty much any of the guest characters. I still have little idea why anyone was doing any of the things they were doing.

Its rating on IMDB is 4.6. That's lower than any other episode off the modern era. I think it's the lowest rating of any Doctor who episode ever.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 15, 2020 7:10:30 pm PST #1469 of 2020
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'd say it was about 99% crap. I laughed at the bit with the vending machine.


-t - Jan 15, 2020 8:03:06 pm PST #1470 of 2020
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I am relieved that it wasn't just me not looking at it right. Every time I thought "well this us an interesting development " it almost immediately would be reversed or dismissed or just prove to be not interesting after all.

I feel bad for the Dregs

Ryan with the Hopper virus was cute


Dana - Jan 16, 2020 5:53:41 am PST #1471 of 2020
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

BEEBO.

Naturally, I got spoiled for one thing, and it was Ezra Miller.


Kalshane - Jan 16, 2020 5:54:50 am PST #1472 of 2020
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

So how come some Earth's got combined and others didn't? Is the new Stargirl series gonna be set on Earth-2?

Because they wanted an excuse to have all their major heroes on the same Earth?

My understanding is Star Girl is on Earth-2 (though whether it's the same as the old Earth-2 or a new one, who knows?)

I guess the show runners had said previously that Titan's and Doom Patrol were set on separate Earths (though each Earth has a version of both teams.)


Jon B. - Jan 16, 2020 11:37:45 am PST #1473 of 2020
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Is it just me, or was that Doctor Who episode total crap?

It was crap. But it was nice to see Roger from His Dark Materials getting more work. He's someone to keep an eye on.


billytea - Jan 16, 2020 12:50:31 pm PST #1474 of 2020
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I've come across a rather interesting redemptive reading of Orphan 55, that claims the episode is more subtle than people are making out. It basically argues that the story is about the different generations. To wit:

  • Orphan 55 - the youngest Boomers are currently 55. Points to the ep's central concern - relations between the generations and how it contributed to the climate change crisis.

  • The Boomers in this ep are Benni and Vilma. Now, the setting is a planet largely bereft of oxygen, making it incredibly precious. Benni has an oxygen tank. Direct quote: "He is a wealthy boomer who is shielded from the effects of the devastation around him." And everyone else is put in danger because rescuing him is prioritised over their safety. He remains oblivious to the threat, tossing out a marriage proposal as if there's a future to look forward to. (I'd add: Vilma buying off Kane to continue the search. I think we're supposed to disapprove of Kane in that exchange, for only being willing to save a life when she's paid. But it could be read instead as the wealthy Vilma believing that she can solve her problems just by throwing money at it, no matter who else suffers as a result.)

  • Bella and Kane, another generational confrontation. Kane believes that her responsibility as a mother is to provide her daughter with material prosperity. Bella rejects that - the price to her is too high. Not hard to read that as a parable on climate change.

  • The scene with the Doctor and Wheezy in the locked room. They survive by breathing each other's respired gases. It puts Wheezy in the position of humanity and the Doctor in that of the ecosystem - the trees, the seas, the earth's lungs (to go poetic). Kill the trees, we kill ourselves.

I mean, that's a pretty nifty reading, and some of it may even have been intentional. I just wish that was the ep we actually got.