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-t - Mar 31, 2017 9:59:41 am PDT #9227 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That makes sense. I would guess there's a big emotional difference between saying "I want to go home but I have to go to assisted living" and "I want to stay here but I have to go to assisted living", or there would be for me.


Dana - Mar 31, 2017 10:00:05 am PDT #9228 of 30002
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

My perception is that they feel like they're walking a fine line between wanting to respect his autonomy and wanting to make the decision to go with assisted living because he can't (or won't) make that decision.

It's so difficult. My grandmother was dead set against assisted living, even when it would have meant being in the same facility as my grandfather, who was under care for Alzheimer's. If the family had strong-armed her into it, she would have made their lives hell.


Toddson - Mar 31, 2017 10:02:15 am PDT #9229 of 30002
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

On the lighter side, did you know that today is National Crayon Day? Celebrate responsibly!


bennett - Mar 31, 2017 10:02:21 am PDT #9230 of 30002

What are his reasons for staying at his home? My mom would never have left her cats - she had 5 of them - in addition to it being her home and where she was most comfortable.


Steph L. - Mar 31, 2017 10:26:03 am PDT #9231 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

What are his reasons for staying at his home?

Like with your mom (minus the cats) -- it's his home, and where he's most comfortable.


Connie Neil - Mar 31, 2017 10:37:03 am PDT #9232 of 30002
brillig

While he's in his house, he's the man he used to be. Going to assisted living, he acknowledges he's old and waiting for the end.


Beverly - Mar 31, 2017 11:22:16 am PDT #9233 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Steph, something else to consider about moving someone into assisted living. My mom fought it like tigers, for a very long time. She had a combination psychological and physical incident where she literally couldn't be supported at home, and was hospitalized. Her doctor refused to release her to home care, and the decision was taken out of her hands by his releasing her to a rehab facility.

It was easier to help her believe "the doctor said" she wasn't able to live at home any longer, especially since we knew she would fight, bait, and sabotage any carer we hired in order to get rid of them. She adapted quickly to assisted living, enjoying the last year of her life immensely. But if the decision had been ours, she would have fought and resented it forever. And she would never, ever have made the decision herself. Sometimes having the choice removed makes it easier to adjust.


Laura - Mar 31, 2017 11:27:17 am PDT #9234 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

Sometimes having the choice removed makes it easier to adjust.

Yes, all Mom's trips to rehab were met with great resistance, but her doctor would not release her to home until certain physical thresholds were met.

It is an extremely hard balance to strike when dealing with letting adults have control over their own lives and making them do what is in their best interest.


NoiseDesign - Mar 31, 2017 11:46:12 am PDT #9235 of 30002
Our wings are not tired

My perception is that they feel like they're walking a fine line between wanting to respect his autonomy and wanting to make the decision to go with assisted living because he can't (or won't) make that decision.

I was trying to be pre-emptive. Dad was still in good health, but mom was declining. Dad had been a Mason for most of his adult life, and there's an amazing masonic facility about 45 minutes from where I live. Basically you buy a house/condo there, and there is on-site care, and it can ramp up from non-assited, to pretty much full assistance as needed. I'd been having gentle talk with my dad for quite a few years about the fact that they lived in a relatively rural setting, without a large support network, and mom was needing more and more care and he was being the primary caregiver with some hired assistance. Finally about a year before he died he'd made the decision and put in a deposit (It was about a 2 year waiting list) and they were schedule to move and things were starting to get into place, but he'd dragged his feet for years, and I took his lead. For him is was a fiscal decision, very low taxes on their huge house because of Prop 13, and things like that.

When he died suddenly, mom dug in her heels and demanded the deposit back, and refused to even consider moving, and my sister backed that play and moved in with her in San Diego, and well, most of you know the rest.

I still live feeling that if I'd pushed harder sooner, they would have been moved, and they would have been an easy 45 minute drive away. I'd have been the primary relative, not my sister, and mom's declining years wouldn't have been what they ended up being.


Steph L. - Mar 31, 2017 11:55:20 am PDT #9236 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I was trying to be pre-emptive.

That's really important. Tim's dad is in fairly good overall health for a man of 80 -- no chronic diseases (heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, cancer, etc.). The medical issues he has going on now are minor in the big scheme of things (though if they were left untreated they could become very problematic). So while he's in relatively good health and good spirits, getting him moved would be ideal.

I still live feeling that if I'd pushed harder sooner, they would have been moved, and they would have been an easy 45 minute drive away. I'd have been the primary relative, not my sister, and mom's declining years wouldn't have been what they ended up being.

That has to be frustrating to live with, Drew. I'm sorry.