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Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Jun 05, 2018 10:39:43 am PDT #25891 of 30002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

One of the downsides of staying at a hotel is that they have big mirrors in the bathroom so I end up catching glimpses of my naked self, where of course I can see every.damn.flaw.

I mean, I look down at my naked self and I'm OK with what I see. I look in a mirror and ugh. I can't reconcile the two reactions.


Jesse - Jun 05, 2018 10:46:58 am PDT #25892 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was inarticulate with rage so all I could come up wth was "you're what's wrong wth America."

That sounds plenty articulate to me.

As in the people traveling with small children, or the people with medical issues who need extra time or help? Grrrr.

Or the people sitting in first class? (See Nikole Hannah-Jones on twitter [link] )


Laura - Jun 05, 2018 10:47:42 am PDT #25893 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

Personally, I am never all that anxious to get squished into an airplane seat. I board last.


Laura - Jun 05, 2018 10:48:50 am PDT #25894 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

I was inarticulate with rage so all I could come up wth was "you're what's wrong wth America."

I'll use this one the next time I have occasion. IJS


Steph L. - Jun 05, 2018 10:49:01 am PDT #25895 of 30002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Wtf. What does preboarding have to do with the Starbucks incident?

I assume the complaint is that now anyone can get early boarding, including the unwashed non-white masses.

Yeah, I was assuming the people who were preboarding had the bad taste to be POC, and therefore shouldn't actually be allowed to preboard, no matter what their excuse, because of course it's an excuse and not a legitimate reason, because only white people have legitimate reasons for needing to preboard or be at Starbucks.


-t - Jun 05, 2018 10:56:27 am PDT #25896 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I mean, I look down at my naked self and I'm OK with what I see. I look in a mirror and ugh. I can't reconcile the two reactions.

Yeah, same. I think it's that I catch sight of myself in the mirror without meaning to rather than looking at myself on purpose?


flea - Jun 05, 2018 11:19:56 am PDT #25897 of 30002
information libertarian

I have an old friend who is a six foot tall, elegant looking, Tony-award-winning actress. Her parents are both doctors, and she went to the UN International School in NYC and a Seven Sisters college. She is friends with Glenn Close. Everything about her looks and manner screams "I fly first class." And she's black. So people routinely question her when she gets in the first class lines.

ION I just cried at my desk because my coworker sent me a picture of her six year old in the recovery phase from today's thoracic surgery to remove a lesion that may be a recurrance of the cancer he had as an infant (they found the lesion on his FIVE YEAR SUPPOSED TO BE ALL CLEAR SCAN) and fuck everything.


-t - Jun 05, 2018 11:25:23 am PDT #25898 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, man, flea.


lisah - Jun 05, 2018 11:29:38 am PDT #25899 of 30002
Punishingly Intricate

Yeah, I was assuming the people who were preboarding had the bad taste to be POC, and therefore shouldn't actually be allowed to preboard, no matter what their excuse, because of course it's an excuse and not a legitimate reason, because only white people have legitimate reasons for needing to preboard or be at Starbucks.

I don't even know. I'm flying Southwest (and we're in the air RIGHT NOW! Because we're living in THE FUTURE!) so there isn't even first class. He was at the top of the As, that is the Southwest version of business class where if you fly enough you get to board first AFTER the pre-boarders. I was also in this group because I did the most bougie thing of paying extra to board earlier than the B group I'd been assigned to. I just wanted to make sure I got a window seat towards the front of the plane because I'm, allegedly, working through this cross-country trip and wanted to make sure I wasn't stuck in between people.

Anyway, he (and the lady who also complained) were bitching about how many pre-boarders there were and how they "didn't look like they needed pre-boarding." The guy was like "they should let the business select people go first." Dude, if you wanted special treatment due to your super important businessman status, fly a less socially equable airline!

I *think* his point comparing to the Starbucks racist incident was something like the gate agents were afraid to ask the pre-boarders if they were legitimately in need of pre-boarding in case the agent would be accused of prejudice? or something? It made as much sense as a typical Trump tweet. And he turned around and nodded at me like it was an okay thing to say because I'm a white lady and I lost my mind. I hope he feels a bit ashamed but I sincerely doubt it.


lisah - Jun 05, 2018 11:34:40 am PDT #25900 of 30002
Punishingly Intricate

I've done that sort of pre-boarding when I have bad migraines. It's been a lifesaver.

Right! I told the lady who complained that you can never tell what someone is dealing with just by looking at them. She bitched that she hadn't done pre-boarding when she was undergoing chemotherapy. Like, somehow the people pre-boarding were getting away with something that she hadn't been able to do. or something. Again, not really a ton of sense making. I *may* have sighed dramatically and said "I'm so embarrassed for white people" which is when she called me nasty. Well, I'm no Ruth Bader Ginsburg in my ability to control my anger, that's for sure.