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'Out Of Gas'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2018 8:32:17 am PDT #23217 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Co-worker: Eyes glaze over, turns back to monitor. "He's never done anything to me."

What an asshat. Congrats on not punching him in the neck.

ION, an acquaintance is ranting on FB how, as a teacher, she can't support the students walking out today because they are choosing to miss out on instruction that is vital (VITAL!) to them becoming educated members of a democratic society.

Someone pointed out that what they're doing is *exactly* what it means to be members of a democratic society, and Acquaintance said "Not if they have to miss class to do it." Uh, WUT.


Jessica - Mar 14, 2018 8:48:14 am PDT #23218 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

"Not if they have to miss class to do it."

Even if this were a valid point, most schools are supportive of students who walked out today, so nobody was missing anything. (Apparently teachers don't want to get shot either! Who knew??)


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2018 9:03:36 am PDT #23219 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Even if this were a valid point, most schools are supportive of students who walked out today, so nobody was missing anything.

I did ask her what she thought of teachers/administrations that are supportive of the students that walked out, and she said "What I teach is so fast-paced that the students can't afford to miss 17 minutes of it." I want to ask what happens to kids that are out sick, but I'm just letting it go, because her statement is ridiculous enough to stand on its own. (Seriously, 17 precious minutes out of their entire high school career is going to torpedo their future success? Ain't nobody that good of a teacher, sweetie.)


Kate P. - Mar 14, 2018 9:08:35 am PDT #23220 of 30002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Yeah, we had a walkout at my school today, and every teacher I talked to was totally supportive -- most of us walked out with the kids.

There was an interesting question raised, actually, in our middle school. Students had brought home permission slips for their parents to fill out if they were planning to walk out, both to gauge the numbers and also to get parents involved in the conversation, to provide an opening for students to talk to their parents about the walkout and what it means. Some parents decided not to fill out the permission slips because they felt that if their child had *permission* to walk out, then it wasn't really a protest. (In response, the middle school decided not to enforce the permission slip requirement.)

I think several of us wondered whether or not our support and participation ran the risk of sanitizing the protest. But on the other hand, most of us feel quite strongly about keeping guns out of schools and the need for better gun control, and it would have felt wrong and counterproductive to *not* do what we could to accommodate and support students who wanted to participate. (Yes, we are almost certainly the most liberal and progressive school in the Nashville area. There's a reason I wanted to work here!)

In the end, it was a pretty powerful moment: 17 minutes of silence, with only very brief remarks by a couple of HS students before and afterwards. I wouldn't have guessed that our students could stay silent for 17 minutes, but they did -- which I think speaks to how heavily this issue weighs on them.


Amy - Mar 14, 2018 9:21:04 am PDT #23221 of 30002
Because books.

I wondered that, too, Kate -- Sara's school was very much involved in planning and coordinating the walkout, to the point that it didn't seem student-led to me, which I didn't think was really fair. And I'm not sure how it went -- Sara is actually home with a sinus and ear infection, so.

I am glad that the district supported it -- very vocally -- though.


-t - Mar 14, 2018 9:35:29 am PDT #23222 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Interesting. I don't see students, typically, so I have no idea how all that is going around here. None of my coworkers have mentioned their kids walking out or not, but that doesn't mean much, I don't think.

Our "word of the month" is Collaboration, so we spent some time today discussing how we can collaborate better, etc. I guess I'm the only one cringing and thinking of Nazis. The rest of our Guiding Principles don't bother me, at least.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2018 9:45:33 am PDT #23223 of 30002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I talked about the walkout with Matilda this morning and was careful to make it clear that (a) she didn't need my permission and (b) she didn't need her teacher's permission. That was the point.


Jessica - Mar 14, 2018 10:01:53 am PDT #23224 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's been a hot topic of discussion on the local parenting FB group - most are supportive of their high school students walking out, some were wary about safety concerns for elementary kids.


Theodosia - Mar 14, 2018 10:05:50 am PDT #23225 of 30002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Wow, 17 minutes worth of fast-paced teaching?! Sounds like a good price to pay if it ends up in you NOT GETTING SHOT.

Could you ask the 17-minute teacher if she plans on getting armed any time soon? Pretty please?


Calli - Mar 14, 2018 10:08:00 am PDT #23226 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

It looks like students in all the schools near me walked out today. Good for them!

In π news, two coworkers brought five pies for our team. Mmmmm. And I have savory pie (Upper Peninsula pasties) for dinner. So I feel sufficiently pied.