Hey, evil dead, you're in my seat.

Xander ,'First Date'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Aug 26, 2017 5:01:49 am PDT #15915 of 30002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Is FB down for others?


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2017 5:07:09 am PDT #15916 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is FB down for others?

Yes. Also Instagram. Although when I check them on downforeveryoneorjustme. com, the site says they're both up. But I can't get in.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2017 5:08:30 am PDT #15917 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

But the apps on my phone work.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2017 5:11:14 am PDT #15918 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Wait. That's a lie. They work but only for a few posts, then they can't load any more posts.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2017 6:19:58 am PDT #15919 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm just going to keep posting.

My problem with having Slinky euthanized today is that she's not on death's door. Or my perception is that she doesn't seem to be. And I know it's a fine line -- I would never want her to get to a point where she's suffering in pain, but I don't want to cut her life short needlessly. She still walks around and can get up on the furniture, and eats.

But she's 20, and she's had kidney disease for 2 years (the vet said the average cat with kidney disease lives for 1 year after diagnosis, even with meds and treatment), and she has hyperthyroid disease. She also has a chronic infection in her mouth because she's too old and frail for a dental cleaning/extraction. And Tim said that in the past week, she makes noises that sound like pain when she eats (I haven't heard them, but I believe him).

In the past 4-ish months, 2 different vets have basically told us that it's time to let her go. They didn't tell us "Hey, if you don't do this now, you're being cruel," but they emphasized that she's very old, and has multiple illnesses that are not going to go away, and she doesn't have much time left.

I know this is not an unkind thing. The fact that she can still walk around and eat doesn't balance out the rest of her illnesses/problems. But because she's still able to walk around and eat, I keep viewing that as "proof" that she's still okay.

But she's not. If she were a friend's cat, and the friend described her to me and was wrestling with the decision to euthanize her, I would say that this is not a bad decision. And it's not cutting her life short needlessly, because she's only going to continue to decline. And it's better to not force her to experience that decline.

But it still feels wrong.


amych - Aug 26, 2017 6:43:56 am PDT #15920 of 30002
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm so sorry, Teppy.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 26, 2017 6:51:32 am PDT #15921 of 30002
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Oh, Teppy, that's so hard. I would also have significant anguish about this. Thinking about you and Tim and Slinky.


WindSparrow - Aug 26, 2017 8:09:28 am PDT #15922 of 30002
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Steph, for what it's worth, your discussion of this decision is making me rethink my stance that Harvey would let me know he was ready to go by loosing interest in eating. He is so very food motivated, and I wonder if he might fight to get to food right up to the end. I reviewed, and plan to keep reviewing at intervals, a pet quality of life checklist that assesses a much bigger picture than I was thinking of. So I thank you for sharing this struggle here.


JZ - Aug 26, 2017 8:37:37 am PDT #15923 of 30002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

{{{Tep}}} It has been such a cruelly hard year for you and Tim and your beloveds.


Steph L. - Aug 26, 2017 8:42:10 am PDT #15924 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Steph, for what it's worth, your discussion of this decision is making me rethink my stance that Harvey would let me know he was ready to go by loosing interest in eating. He is so very food motivated, and I wonder if he might fight to get to food right up to the end. I reviewed, and plan to keep reviewing at intervals, a pet quality of life checklist that assesses a much bigger picture than I was thinking of. So I thank you for sharing this struggle here.

Yeah, losing interest in food was my clear bright line. But Slinky is hyperthyroid, which makes her hungry ALL THE TIME. Since I work from home, I've been feeding her small amounts about 6-7 times a day for at least a year. She's still eating voraciously as of a few minutes ago.