I kissed him, and I told him that I loved him. And I killed him.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sparky1 - Jul 29, 2016 6:46:27 am PDT #25239 of 30003
Librarian Warlord

I feel like I just did a very brave thing and filled out the survey on my Dean's performance for the Provost (who will know the comments came from me and who will have my re-appointment for approval on his desk this year).

I can't even imagine a debate, because this whole election is unbelieveable.


askye - Jul 29, 2016 7:08:36 am PDT #25240 of 30003
Thrive to spite them

I don't think there's any hope for people who think Hillary should be in jail for whatever reason they have (emails, benghazi, she and bill murder their enemies, etc)

Mom doesn't like Hillary and doesn't thinik she's trustworthy and I do't htink there's a way to change that but Mom's voting for Hillary. Well she's voting Democrat because she can't stand what the GOP has turned into.

So I just have to hope that the on the fence people will get turned off by Trump.


Toddson - Jul 29, 2016 7:20:26 am PDT #25241 of 30003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

And there's three months for him to get even more offensive!

Someone commented that, during Hillary's acceptance speech, some poor Trump aide was probably hiding in a bathroom with T's phone to keep him from tweeting. Lotsa luck.


Steph L. - Jul 29, 2016 7:26:52 am PDT #25242 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

An acquaintance who I barely know (I've spent time in a large social gathering with her MAYBE 3 times) sent me a Facebook message at 7 a.m. today that said "Why should I vote for Hillary Clinton? You seem to be following politics, so what are the reasons I should vote for her?"

So. I think perhaps this individual is just bad at boundaries and communication and is just blunt, rather than being combative (which is how I took it at first, especially since she messaged at 7 goddamn in the morning).

And I know I should jump in so I can get one more vote for my girl, but, you know, I just don't have the spoons to respond to a demand for information from someone I barely barely know who thinks it's okay to blow up my phone at 7 a.m. with a non-emergency.

Is that wrong? I just can't cope with anything today, but even if I could, I suspect I'd find this acquaintance's demand for information at 7 a.m. to be very off-putting. I mean, Clinton has a website. Nonpartisan websites exist. Why demand information from someone you barely fucking know? (Though I suspect this is a case where she thinks we're great pals, when literally all I know about her is her name, the name of her current partner, and the name of her ex.)

Or am I being a huge jerk here?


Tom Scola - Jul 29, 2016 7:35:17 am PDT #25243 of 30003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

You don't owe her anything, Steph, although it sounds like she is someone who is experiencing a huge amount of cognitive dissonance after the RNC and DNC, and is cautiously trying to look outside of her personal bubble.

ION, 4th Circuit says NC voting laws adopted with "discriminatory intent.": [link]

"The new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision.": [link]


Steph L. - Jul 29, 2016 7:42:34 am PDT #25244 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

is cautiously trying to look outside of her personal bubble

And I applaud that, for sure. But it's scary to think that she considers me the best person to ask, since we are the definition of "that person you friend on FB because you met them at that one thing."


Tom Scola - Jul 29, 2016 7:47:03 am PDT #25245 of 30003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Everyone wants a piece of your spicy brains, Steph. It's your burden.


Toddson - Jul 29, 2016 7:48:03 am PDT #25246 of 30003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

And better you than someone who hates Hillary ....


Dana - Jul 29, 2016 7:52:28 am PDT #25247 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Woohoo about the NC voting law!

I know there are articles out there about Clinton and why one should vote for her, but I spent literally two minutes looking and got tired, because of course half of the results are NEVER VOTE FOR THE EVIL HARPY.


Burrell - Jul 29, 2016 7:56:14 am PDT #25248 of 30003
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I look at it this way, Steph, when people are debating what to do in their mind, they telegraph their choices based on who they reach out to. Often what they want is confirmation. So reaching out to you when just about the only thing she knows is that you are pro-Hillary strikes me as an indication that she wants to vote for her, but hasn't figured out how to frame it to herself yet.

I think Trump has the advantage in the debates.

Sadly I do too, mostly since his voters will love watching him yell and rant and won't care what he says, while she will be held to that absurdly higher standard that we like to hold the presidential candidate who's out in front. Like when Bush could "win" a debate with Gore just by not fumbling.

That said I suspect there's a very small number of undecideds out there. I think the key is getting out the vote.