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WindSparrow - Jul 25, 2016 5:04:26 am PDT #25000 of 30003
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I won't be able to afford long term chemotherapy for Sammie if she has bladder cancer (a possibility but not certainty after last week's UA, red blood cells still present after a month's antibiotic treatment for bladder infection). I'm waiting to get a call back from the vet who saw her at her first two visits so I can ask the questions I was too stunned to ask the other vet last week. Meanwhile I am pondering the value of spending the $400-500 out of savings to diagnose an illness I can't afford to treat versus simply watching and waiting with a view on quality of life and easing Sammie's end.

Schröedinger's cancer? Knowing for sure but being able to do fuck-all about it, or peace of mind through expensive diagnostics?

First question for the vet is just how dramatic are the results of that UA? Is this a "could be nothing/could be something" situation, or is this a "red blood cells in that concentration mean something serious"?


Jesse - Jul 25, 2016 5:12:16 am PDT #25001 of 30003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Sorry to hear that, WindSparrow. I wouldn't (and have not) spend the money on a diagnosis you can't do anything about. For me, knowing the dx wouldn't give any more peace of mind than just keeping an eye on whatever you can tell about her quality of life.


Dana - Jul 25, 2016 5:42:43 am PDT #25002 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

My ankle's much better, but everything else that got bruised or got sore because I was walking funny now hurts more.


WindSparrow - Jul 25, 2016 5:52:00 am PDT #25003 of 30003
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Thanks, Jesse. Sammie has always been so healthy. Fourteen years, and in all this time, aside from the routine annual stuff, occassional dental cleanings, and kitten stuff like earmites, deworming, and spay, this was only her second time needing to go to the vet. About eight years ago she had another urinary tract infection. And since being treated with the antibiotic this time, her energy level bounced right back.


WindSparrow - Jul 25, 2016 5:52:25 am PDT #25004 of 30003
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Well that's no fun, Dana.


brenda m - Jul 25, 2016 6:00:54 am PDT #25005 of 30003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Poor Sammie. I'm kind of with Jesse on how to proceed.


bennett - Jul 25, 2016 6:08:58 am PDT #25006 of 30003

WindSparrow - another question for the vet would be how traumatic would the treatment be for Sammie. Even when I had the money there have been times when I just wouldn't put a frail cat through a rough regimen. Good luck to both you and Sammie.


Calli - Jul 25, 2016 6:32:49 am PDT #25007 of 30003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

WindSparrow, if I couldn't afford curative treatment, I'd only spend the money if the diagnosis affected the efficacy of the palliative treatment. If either way it's pain pills and hydration, then there it is. I'm sorry you and Sammy have to go through this.


SuziQ - Jul 25, 2016 6:44:00 am PDT #25008 of 30003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I just had to go on the hunt for Miss Kitty. She normally is downstairs while I work, competing with Jack for attention. When she is missing, it usually means she slipped out the back door when Jack goes outside but she wasn't out there. I did find her on my bed upstairs.

She has arthritis in her hips, legs, and possibly lower spine. She still struggles to keep her food down but now it is only once or twice a week I find that she threw up. I've tried giving her wet food - different types - and she turns up her nose. Same with some human food that is ok for cats. Though, she would eat her weight in cheese given the chance.

But I worry about her. Every day I worry that it will be THE DAY I need to make the decision to say goodbye.


Steph L. - Jul 25, 2016 6:52:34 am PDT #25009 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Every day I worry that it will be THE DAY I need to make the decision to say goodbye.

Kato has seemed a lot more...elderly since we got back from vacation. He does okay -- he eats all his food almost every day, and he walks around fine, but he's very slow, and he does struggle to get up from lying down, and he seems to be having some cognitive decline. After losing Toke unexpectedly, I can't bear the thought of losing either Kato or Slinky, but I think at least one of them won't make it to 2017. Maybe both.