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Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Jun 15, 2016 5:29:56 am PDT #23093 of 30003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

The second level managers at my office are really pretty shitty on the people management front. Their people are slack on many things and they never hold them to better standards or even speak to them about these things until the boss tells them to. I have to remind myself to stay in my lane.

Today we had a job that was supposed to start at 7am and while we had people in site our material was not there. The customer calls us 2 hours after the job was supposed to start wondering what is the issue and no one in the office knows about it. Employees on site did call their manager and he is in the field and he either did nothing or he only called the supplier. The supplier is OUR COMPANY just another location, they are supposed to let us know if deliveries are late. Totally bad management.


Gudanov - Jun 15, 2016 5:31:43 am PDT #23094 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

Was it a terrorist attack, a hate crime, or an unhinged individual who went off? So far it's looking like yes.


Dana - Jun 15, 2016 5:36:57 am PDT #23095 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I am really failing to be interested in this conference call. I blame it for not being interesting.


billytea - Jun 15, 2016 5:40:23 am PDT #23096 of 30003
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

THIS. The fact that he is Muslim trumps everything else. ISIS. Radical Islam. Kill 'em all. The victims don't matter. And that is heinous.

Yeah. That's what particularly disturbs me about my friend's singular focus on that one angle. It doesn't feel like telling it like it is. It feels like he's erasing the fact that it was a homophobic hate crime, and that it's a mass shooting, one of the hundreds that have occurred since Sandy Hook (of which there are all of two that let one bring up Islamic State).

And I only know what's been reported, but to me the shooter's allegiance to IS (and apparently Hezbollah and al Nusra before that, never mind they're all at war with each other) seems very much like an afterthought to the self-loathing and toxic, violent masculinity. Fixating on Omar Mateen's religion might be the least relevant aspect.


Jesse - Jun 15, 2016 5:44:30 am PDT #23097 of 30003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Was it a terrorist attack, a hate crime, or an unhinged individual who went off? So far it's looking like yes.

Yeah, that.

And I only know what's been reported, but to me the shooter's allegiance to IS (and apparently Hezbollah and al Nusra before that, never mind they're all at war with each other) seems very much like an afterthought to the self-loathing and toxic, violent masculinity. Fixating on Omar Mateen's religion might be the least relevant aspect.

Also that.

Also what about all of the Christian mass murderers?

Argh.


Dana - Jun 15, 2016 5:45:27 am PDT #23098 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Also what about all of the Christian mass murderers?

Oh, if only we could treat mental illness/keep those people off the street.


Gudanov - Jun 15, 2016 5:47:59 am PDT #23099 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

It's a good rant Sophia.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 15, 2016 5:48:00 am PDT #23100 of 30003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

OK- I have to stop reading the little bios of the victims. It is so sad. Also, cell phones seem to make things better and make things sadder- the story of one of the victims Snap Chatting the shooting, or the young man texting his mom over the course of a fairly long period of time while hiding in a bathroom are just heartbreaking.


Steph L. - Jun 15, 2016 5:56:06 am PDT #23101 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It feels like he's erasing the fact that it was a homophobic hate crime

My bigoted aunt thinks she's being a Patriot By God by proclaiming that this "senseless Muslim terrorist attack was an attack on ALL AMERICANS!" Except it wasn't. It's just that she realizes that if she doesn't decry the murder of 50 people and horrible injury of 53 more, she looks like a monster, and she is By God A Good Person, so she *has* to say something, but there is no way she can support the LGBTQ community (because of course God hates the way they live, and she cries when she "has to tell her gay friends that God hates they way they live"), so the only reasonable (Patriotic By God) recourse is to decide that this was an attack on ALL AMERICANS.

The fact that I haven't replied to her posts with "fuuuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuu" is amazing.


flea - Jun 15, 2016 6:11:46 am PDT #23102 of 30003
information libertarian

the young man texting his mom over the course of a fairly long period of time while hiding in a bathroom are just heartbreaking.

Reading this immediately brought me back to listening to Melissa Doi in the 9/11 attacks on the phone with the 911 operator and sending messages to her mother. Which I have never gotten over.