What'd you all order a dead guy for?

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Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Maria - Jun 13, 2016 11:44:36 am PDT #23005 of 30003
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Jesse, if we need to switch I'm open to it. Mine are for the Tuesday after Easter.

Edit: This is what I get for not hitting post until 30 minutes later.

Teppy, I hope the shot is working its magic. Feel better soon.


meara - Jun 13, 2016 12:39:46 pm PDT #23006 of 30003

...wow, where is everyone today? Still hungover from the Tonys?

I'm having a hard time concentrating on work today. Don't wanna. I had such a good weekend, I want it to happen again! (Sadly I don't think next weekend will be nearly as awesome, just because less is going on) I mean...date! 10k! Brownies! Friends! Dancing! Hookup! Soccer game with new friend! Vigil (sad)! Drinks after (still sad, but)! Though--the date from Friday went pretty well, I thought (though not sure if she was being all "let's be friends" during one point in the convo, or just talking?). But I suggested, yesterday, that we go kayaking wednesday or this weekend. And she was like sure, but how about on monday? And I texted this morning all "agh, sorry, my PT appointment got canceled and rescheduled today..." and she was like "Oh, I meant NEXT monday". Hah. Here I was all "Ooh, she wants to hang out RIGHT AWAY!"


Sheryl - Jun 13, 2016 12:47:57 pm PDT #23007 of 30003
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

I'm so sorry, Drew.


Steph L. - Jun 13, 2016 1:01:04 pm PDT #23008 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Damn, the freelance manager is making me call the author who said "I need to go through each suggested edit." If this jackhole argues about every fucking comma, I am charging the AMA for 3 times the amount of actual time I spend on the phone with him, because fuck that. (She did actually email him and said "We understand you have a few concerns...please forward them to me," and he said "Please arrange a call because I need to go through each suggested edit." HELL NO.)

Let me be clear: if I made mistakes content-wise, I need to know that. The authors have all the data on their research, so if anything is presented incorrectly after editing, that's on me, and I want to know it, and will jump on it to change it. But if he's whining because we change "subjects" to "patients", I'ma head to Texas and punch this dude in the throat.


meara - Jun 13, 2016 1:13:41 pm PDT #23009 of 30003

But if he's whining because we change "subjects" to "patients", I'ma head to Texas and punch this dude in the throat.

Is that your internal style? Interesting. For at least one previous company we were encouraged to call them "subjects" rather than "patients", because it was research and "patients" implied they might be getting actual care (as opposed to doing experimental things which might include placebo or might not benefit them), or some rationale like that? But of course I could also see an argument that that's de-humanizing them and/or de-emphasizing the requirement to care for patients (rather than "treat" "subjects")


Steph L. - Jun 13, 2016 1:22:30 pm PDT #23010 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

"Subjects" is considered dehumanizing. If it's a study of actual patients who received care (like, comparing treatment A with treatment B among all patients with disease X), then we use "patients." If it's a study with a control group/volunteers who aren't actually patients with a disease/medical problem/whatever, then we use "individuals" (and yeah, it's annoying).

I'm not saying some elements of our style aren't annoying, but my job isn't to establish and defend our style; it's just to edit stuff so it adheres to style. So when authors piss and moan about it even though they knew it would be happening, I just want to throat-punch them.


Connie Neil - Jun 13, 2016 1:34:27 pm PDT #23011 of 30003
brillig

Can you approach the conversation with the mindset of "If you feel our style requirements distort your article, you do, of course, have the right to withdraw your article from our publication" ?


msbelle - Jun 13, 2016 1:36:27 pm PDT #23012 of 30003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

oh mac. in an old familiar cycle. rules are actually being enforced and he has packed a bag and "left". I'm starting a timer for 30 min, then I'll start looking I guess.


Steph L. - Jun 13, 2016 1:37:28 pm PDT #23013 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Can you approach the conversation with the mindset of "If you feel our style requirements distort your article, you do, of course, have the right to withdraw your article from our publication" ?

I'm positive I'm not allowed to say anything even hinting at that. I'm too low on the ladder. I'm not even an actual AMA employee.


Sue - Jun 13, 2016 1:38:37 pm PDT #23014 of 30003
hip deep in pie

Mac, get back home right now, mister!