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Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Jun 13, 2016 7:13:09 am PDT #22985 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

I think (I don't know by any means) this is just some lost, unhinged dude who latched onto ISIS as an identity and bought up some weaponry to "be ready". Then something set him off. Human time-bomb.


Nora Deirdre - Jun 13, 2016 7:25:14 am PDT #22986 of 30003
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

skip, skip...

Someone remind me to stop arguing with the guy who seems to be mansplaining mixed beers on Facebook. We get it: you think those of us who like a harmonized shandy aren't worthy beer drinkers.

But it's still pissing me off.

Also, stop bringing German beer into the equation. German beer ain't all that.

So, I was super behind in Natter when all that went down. He was formerly a somewhat entertaining but cranky beer writer but between his fucking ridiculousness on that thread and his horrible Feel the Bern anti-Hillary and anti-Hillary supporters rants, I have unfollowed him.

Being involved in the beer biz means having a lot of various bros (from the South and elsewhere) on my FL and it kinds wears me down a lot.

ION, yesterday was super shitty, and today doesn't seem like much of an improvement.


msbelle - Jun 13, 2016 7:33:50 am PDT #22987 of 30003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Unrelated to anything, I am starving. I have eaten oatmeal and just now a frozen dinner, but still feel hungry. Why body???

I am also tired, so if I could go to bed, I would not eat, but since I cannot....all food beware!!!!


Steph L. - Jun 13, 2016 7:44:34 am PDT #22988 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So, would he be considered a radical extremist if he was acting on orders from ISIS, but in all probability he was a murderous homophobe who just admired ISIS?

This is the kind of thing I really don't want to get wrong.

ION, I have a migraine that's so bad on Day 1 that I'm headed to Urgent Care (or my primary care doctor if he calls me back).


Jesse - Jun 13, 2016 7:47:37 am PDT #22989 of 30003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Like if someone did the same thing and in their call said the pledged alligence to the Southern Baptist Convention, but wasn't actually a member of a church or we didn't have proof of any contact of the murderer and the org aside from reading the Internet.

This reminds me to go find more articles with SBC leadership speaking out against Trump. I find that very soothing, like the evangelical radio guy who was on This American Life. Why would religious conservatives ("values voters") support Trump?? It makes no sense!


Dana - Jun 13, 2016 7:47:57 am PDT #22990 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

in all probability he was a murderous homophobe who just admired ISIS?

Sounds like it. And of course, ISIS is like "Oh, yeah, that's totally our guy. Go him."


msbelle - Jun 13, 2016 7:50:37 am PDT #22991 of 30003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I think it is safe to just call him a bigot murderer. He clearly targeted to gay community. Did he also intentially target Latino/as? I dunno.


Steph L. - Jun 13, 2016 7:58:41 am PDT #22992 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I think it is safe to just call him a bigot murderer.

I'm down with that. I definitely don't want to propagate misinformation about ISIS.

Everyone, send vibes for my doctor to call back.


meara - Jun 13, 2016 8:00:27 am PDT #22993 of 30003

Ugh. So fucking upsetting, all of it. I actually drove down to Portland Saturday afternoon in order to see people, and we went out dancing. Some of them stayed out later, and heard the news that night, I didn't see it until morning. But last night I went to a (very well attended) vigil in the park, and the mayor (who's gay) and the governor (!) spoke, along with a woman who is both queer and Muslim (and reminded everyone they exist, damnit!) and some other speakers, and a chorus. And then went to the lesbian bar for drinks, because it seemed like the only possible thing to do. My FB is mostly an echo chamber, and it's so hard to read. And I feel horrible saying I had an amazing weekend (but I did). And part of it was the feeling of community strength, last night. Of anger, and reminders that no matter how over the commodification of Pride we are (I personally have been saying I don't intend to attend the parade, this year, as 90% of it feels like stuff I could see at any parade), it's not over. It's not. As I saw someone post, many of those people who were wounded could be fired this morning, in Florida. For being gay. (Orlando has an anti-discrimination policy on the books, but Florida as a whole does not). And that's not to even get into the whole trans thing--one of my friend was SPIT ON by an AIRPORT EMPLOYEE last week. For going to the bathroom.


Shir - Jun 13, 2016 8:06:34 am PDT #22994 of 30003
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Drew, I am so sorry.

Love right back atcha', quester (and other 'istas).

Here's something I've been meaning to put here since last night (my time), but was too exhausted to do so. Last summer there were two horrible hate crimes in Israel in less than 18 hours: the stabbing in Pride in Jerusalem [link] (where I was marching along with the others), and the murder of the Dawabsheh family [link] - eventually, all of the family but one boy died of their wounds. In between them was my birthday, which I celebrate every year right after Pride in Jerusalem, as a lot of friends are coming to participate in it. Pride in Jerusalem is in August and not in June with the rest of the world out of remembrance and respect to another horrible hate crime in Tel Aviv that took place that day several years ago (yeah, again, on my birthday).

Anyhow, I planned one gathering on the night between the attacks and another on the night after for people who couldn't make it to the first gathering. Like many, I was shocked and angry and hurt. So here's what I wrote that day. I thought some of you might like to read it, too.

Hello, everybody.

There was another bloody hatecrime, so I feel the need to write.

First things first, everything is still on. Those of you who arrived yesterday: thank you so, so, so, so much. You made me very happy and very drunk, and I hope you too had fun. Those who will come today: I'm looking forward to see you. You are all the good I see in this world.

There's not much to do with the reality outside. One cannot growl at abysses of hatred, and looking directly into them is a recipe for despair and numbness. None of us can change the world or very broken people within an eye-blink - and there's no need for that, too.

But one can be kind to people who forgot their own humanity; one can speak and act where it seems safe and right, whether it's going to a demonstration or making a donation or feeding people post-demonstration or listening to people or organize millions of other things. If you would like to give me a birthday present and you're not sure what, feel free to donate to any relevant charity that is about education or peace or feminism/gender/LGBTAQ issues of anything that brings good and light to this world (in my email, here there were a lot of links with ideas).

There are 20+ people who are included in this email, so know that you are not alone. Be kind to yourself and be safe, cause it's my birthday and I can demand it. Tikun Olam (amending of the world, a concept in Judaism) does not take place with a flamethrower, but with a needle and a thread and patience and listening - to others, and to yourselves.

Be well.

Be well, y'all. It's a difficult, heartbreaking time.