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Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

Discussion of all Marvel Cinematic Universe related movies and TV shows, including, but not limited to, the Avengers, Captain America, Agent Carter, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Daredevil, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, etc., etc., etc. ad-infinitum.

Discussion of non-MCU Marvel titles like the X-Men or the Fantastic Four is also permitted. Ties to comics may be discussed, but this is not the primary forum for comics discussion (see the Other Media thread).

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Zenkitty - May 08, 2016 6:04:58 pm PDT #941 of 4004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I'm wondering where that book is too. Also I missed ALL the Bucky-Natasha interesting interaction somehow. Might've lost it in Bucky's hair. Gotta go see it again.


Connie Neil - May 08, 2016 6:26:40 pm PDT #942 of 4004
brillig

I'm working on a fic to resolve that question as we speak. If I don't obey the fic muse when she speaks, she may stop speaking to me altogether.


Connie Neil - May 08, 2016 6:39:21 pm PDT #943 of 4004
brillig

Am I remembering the timeline right? Did Howard have the drugs in his car trunk that they pumped into the other Winter Soldiers?


Nora Deirdre - May 08, 2016 7:00:47 pm PDT #944 of 4004
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I thought that looked like Kree blood that was being pumped into the super soldiers.

Which is interesting considering what's happening on AoS right now.


Polter-Cow - May 08, 2016 7:51:14 pm PDT #945 of 4004
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That's what I thought too, Nora.


P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 10:09:47 pm PDT #946 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sorry. More CA:CW (which I always read as "CAW CAW!") babble. But! I keep thinking about the contrasts in grief and trauma we get here, I just can't get away from it and Steve and Tony are both fucking swimming in it at the worst possible moment. And, well, Steve and Tony process it so fucking differently.

Steve's been described as the guy who won't bleed all over someone else--and we've seen it twice now: people in his life die and he basically isolates himself as his first response (interesting Bucky and Natasha parallels here in the post-funeral scenes for both, each actively seeking him out and refusing to let him do that entirely). Tony just sort of hemorrhages all over the place (I don't say this as a criticism: he's not actively trying to spray arterial trauma, but his methods of coping-by-avoiding are often so very, very, very loud and shit gets messy fast). Neither coping mechanism--because not bleeding all over someone else basically means you're busy walking around with emotional internal bleeding--is especially healthy. They've grown to like each other, but man, they so, so, so do not understand each other.

God, they're both falling apart at the seams here. It's a lot more obvious--especially with Steve--on the second viewing (not being in 3D helped a lot). And it's just so fascinating to watch them both shatter in that last fight. Three solo movies, two Avengers movies, we've seen Steve angry a lot--but it's almost always been righteous or focused and channelled into a fight. I think this is the first time we've seen it actually go into seriously primal territory. It's just, ultimately, such a violently human fight.


Steph L. - May 09, 2016 4:35:47 am PDT #947 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And it's just so fascinating to watch them both

Man, yes. All of this. I don't think I've ever been as shocked-but-not-really by anything in any of the MCU movies as when Steve slammed his shield into Tony's chest (Iron Man suit, okay).


Dana - May 09, 2016 4:45:50 am PDT #948 of 4004
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Another thought:

It seems like Tony has been actively trying to deal with his grief over his parents' death, and regret over not being a better person or a better son or whatever. That was the whole point of the simulation at the beginning, right? And then to have that thrown back in his face, that they were murdered by the person who's the cause of his disagreement with Steve? Ow.


Connie Neil - May 09, 2016 5:40:27 am PDT #949 of 4004
brillig

I wonder how many people are annoyed that their summer blockbuster popcorn movie is making them think about motivations and "Maybe nobody is the good guy."

Bucky still needs hugs.


Steph L. - May 09, 2016 5:54:56 am PDT #950 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And a headband.

#TeamHeadband