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'Dirty Girls'


Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

Discussion of all Marvel Cinematic Universe related movies and TV shows, including, but not limited to, the Avengers, Captain America, Agent Carter, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Daredevil, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, etc., etc., etc. ad-infinitum.

Discussion of non-MCU Marvel titles like the X-Men or the Fantastic Four is also permitted. Ties to comics may be discussed, but this is not the primary forum for comics discussion (see the Other Media thread).

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Zenkitty - May 07, 2016 2:03:11 am PDT #856 of 4004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I thought the same thing! We can't see Berlin for BERLIN

Someone needs to talk to me about Tony's questionable choice re bringing a 16 year old into a possilbly fatal battle. How many people will kick his butt when they find out just how young he is? Is this as bad as I think it is?


Jesse - May 07, 2016 4:36:38 am PDT #857 of 4004
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

An excellent and fair question.

I have to say I'm not opposed to the new guys (I mean, T'challa is clearly the best, and Spider Boy was cute and funny ), but could we please get some more women in this thing?


Jesse - May 07, 2016 4:43:07 am PDT #858 of 4004
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I also wouldn't mind further acknowledgement that not everyone in the world is either black or white.

ION, Bucky makes me so sad.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 07, 2016 6:01:28 am PDT #859 of 4004
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Apparently having Asian characters is a big no-no for the MCU based on what the screenwriter for Dr. Strange was spewing. Well, unless they're someone's houseboy, I guess.


Jesse - May 07, 2016 6:19:47 am PDT #860 of 4004
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Yeah.... That train of thought really started with the Dr Strange trailer.


Jesse - May 07, 2016 6:47:40 am PDT #861 of 4004
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Oh hey, Steph et al. -- what was "the thing"? And did they do it?


Steph L. - May 07, 2016 6:56:39 am PDT #862 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I don't get how Age of Ultron couldn't handle a large cast, but Civil War was all "Here, have T'Challa! Ant-Man? Why not? Hey, let's have some Spider-Man, too!" and it worked just fine. (Though, to be totally fair, I think the film didn't *need* T'Challa, Ant-Man, Spidey, or Hawkguy. But they didn't bloat it or slow it down.)

Though yes, damn it, if you're going to give us more existing characters, Carol Danvers would be nice, you jerks.

Man, this whole movie was basically Broken People Make Questionable Choices and Shit Goes Boom, wasn't it? Not in a bad way, and I like my characters to have depth, but Tony and Steve are so fucked up.

I should have known we were getting more Maria Stark as soon as we got the flashback scene at MIT, and yet I didn't see the footage of her death coming. (And wow, I totally forgot what RDJ looked like when he was young. Super pretty.)

It goes without saying that I'm SO RELIEVED they didn't kill Steve. [edit: Jesse, that was The Thing. Cap is killed in the comics storyline of Civil War.] I was all set for it, and as the movie progressed, I was thinking, "Well, everyone wants to kill Bucky, so I can't see how he'll be the next Cap. I guess it'll be Sam?" Literally, when the end credits started, I let out this huge breath and said "Oh thank GOD." (Also "West Coast Avengers!")


Steph L. - May 07, 2016 7:07:45 am PDT #863 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

In the Civil War comics, the quote that Sharon attributes to Peggy is actually something Cap says to Spider-Man. [link] But I immediately made it headcanon that Steve got the quote from Peggy.

OH MY GOD. Sam and Bucky in the car watching Steve mack on Sharon. BEST SCENE. (Or maybe second best, behind "Can you move your seat up?" "No.")


Steph L. - May 07, 2016 7:43:54 am PDT #864 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And who the hell does Zemo remind me of? I guess I can just check his IMDB page, but I don't think it's another actor/character.

#streamofconsciousness #sorrynotsorry


Consuela - May 07, 2016 8:23:14 am PDT #865 of 4004
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So I saw it last night with fangirls. t waves at Shrift

That was fun, and much what I expected. Most of the character beats made sense to me, although I think that it would have worked better if Steve had signed the agreement and then blown it off in order to protect Bucky. Because Steve cannot be utterly opposed to civilian oversight; he's too smart for that, especially since the Hydra/SHIELD thing went down. Oversight is important.

That said, the whole Sokovia Accords plot element would have made more sense if it hadn't been sprung on the Avengers as a done deal, but if they'd had a chance to participate in the drafting. Or if at least one of them had -- like Tony, or Natasha. Nobody does that kind of big-scale thing in a vacuum, and they would need technical advice and wordsmithing.

I got weary of the endless fighting. Seriously, people, take some lessons in diplomacy and negotiating. Isn't there some room between "I disagree with you!" and "Let's break each other's ribs!" The big line-up at the airport with both groups running at each other -- OMG I kept waiting for a Joss-ish humorous undercut. It was too much, too portentous, too overdramatic. In sum: too many fights.

I saw a nice note on Twitter about how the fantasy expressed by this movie isn't super-strength or magic abilities, but super-resilience. Because nearly all of those people walked away from dozens of hits that would have killed or permanently disabled anyone else. And at least Clint, t'Challa, Natasha, and Carol are regular humans.

I too would have liked more women, and more other kinds of people. The Doctor Strange trailer gave me no reason to see that movie. Also no reason to see the movie about the shark and the woman swimmer, although for different reasons. I did cheer when the Rogue One trailer came up, though.

Oh, post-credits question: What is the meaning of the hologram thing that Parker puts on his ceiling, that came out of his wrist thing? What was that about? Why did part of the audience whisper excitedly about that?