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Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Nov 05, 2014 6:48:57 am PST #9745 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My county was one of the few in Central PA to vote for the democrat for governor, but I'm not really sure how much of that was because of his political views and how much was people upset at how Corbett handled the Sandusky scandal and NCAA sanctions. (My county is usually the purple spot in a sea of red, because of the university.)


tommyrot - Nov 05, 2014 6:51:43 am PST #9746 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

2000 was the worst for me. I couldn't believe the outright theft of the election.

Yeah. Plus all that bullshit was dragged out over almost two months.

2000 was also the first election where I followed the campaigns closely. I couldn't believe how the media focused on the stupid "Gore is a liar" thing, despite being untrue and despite all of Bush's lies. Now I'm much more resigned to biased media.

Plus there was the sucker-punch of the media initially declaring Florida for Gore.


Maria - Nov 05, 2014 6:56:08 am PST #9747 of 30000
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Corbett won my county with 66%. I was prepared for it to be more lopsided.

The bigger shocker was Hogan's win in MD. No one really saw that coming.


Hil R. - Nov 05, 2014 7:01:23 am PST #9748 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Wolf won Centre county with 57%, Clinton county with 53%, and Cambria county with 54%. All counties containing or adjacent to Penn State. The rest of the middle of the state was red.


Hil R. - Nov 05, 2014 7:03:01 am PST #9749 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And, not totally related to anything, but can I just say how goddam sick I am of people STILL writing letters and editorials and stuff in the local papers about how the NCAA needs to "give Joe back his wins"? A few local candidates actually had that as part of their platforms.


Maria - Nov 05, 2014 7:22:55 am PST #9750 of 30000
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Perry County is very, very red. Has been and always will be. Cumberland County is usually red, but there are pockets of blue. Corbett won there with 58%, which is much lower than expected. Dauphin County is a mixed bag. Harrisburg leans D, but Corbett won the county in 2010 with 60%. Wolf won it yesterday with 55%. I'm just glad Linda Thompson didn't win the House seat she was after. She was a disaster for the city of Harrisburg as mayor, and it wouldn't have been any better in Congress.

And, not totally related to anything, but can I just say how goddam sick I am of people STILL writing letters and editorials and stuff in the local papers about how the NCAA needs to "give Joe back his wins"? A few local candidates actually had that as part of their platforms.

It's a thing down here too. Like we don't have bigger things to worry about.


Sue - Nov 05, 2014 7:26:31 am PST #9751 of 30000
hip deep in pie

This is priceless: Josh Malina and his pranks on West Wing: [link]


Typo Boy - Nov 05, 2014 7:26:49 am PST #9752 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

can't say I've seen victory laps. The closest I've seen to "victory laps" is hearing people say that we've made a lot of progress, but we have a long way to go. I do think it's fair to say that the economy is a lot better today than it was when President Obama took office. But that's like saying it's better to be on crutches than in a full body cast.

OK, but even "made a lot of progress" really is a victory lap. 70% of the population feels they are no better off than they were in 2008 personally. And something like 80% of 90% of those with kids feel those kids will have it worse than they did. "Progress" that leaves out that many people can't be called "a lot". And statistics show that people answering those surveys are overly optimistic. Only about 10% of the population today are better off than they were in 2008. 90% are the same or worse. It is not really progress if the economy subjectively is not better for 70% of the population and objectively is no better for 90%

I'm not saying this election result is not awful. And it is not only the people who did not turn out but the people who voted for higher minimum wages, grass legalization, but still voted Republican. But I also think the Democratic candidates and the professional campaigners who get paid the big bucks need to take some of the blame. Bland emptiness apparently does not trump energetic evil.

The Democrats (I mean the national candidates and the campaign professionals) mostly decided to pivot away from "inequality" to "opportunity". That sure worked out well. And going further back, the President (and his employee the Attorney General) decided it was more important to prosecute whistle blowers than rogue bankers and financeers. It was the executive that failed to enforce bailout terms so that almost nobody could get a mortage modification. Note also that the executive decided to do QE (basically a complicated way of printing money to give to bankers) rather than using the same authority to print money to give away to ordinary people. Leaving aside whether that was good policy (I think it wasn't) it was lousy politics.

Sure people stupidly fail to vote, and more stupidly vote against their self-interest. So be angry at that if you want. But send some of that bitterness and anger towards the national leaders inside the Democratic party who blow elections because they are too in bed with a lot of the same people who the Republicans represent.


juliana - Nov 05, 2014 7:33:06 am PST #9753 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

the one casino measure didn't pass just because the one news story I heard about it convinced me it has such a narrow scope and is the end of such a long process already that it really ought to have been rubber stamped

I *very* reluctantly voted against it because it was so heavily backed by interests in Las Vegas, IIRC. (I did my research a couple weeks ago, so of course I can't remember now. Stupid brain.) I'm happy the water bill passed, less happy that the rainy-day fund passed.


Jesse - Nov 05, 2014 7:48:04 am PST #9754 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So I'm thinking about applying to be on an affordable housing working group for my city. I'm worried that it will be too much of a time commitment and/or meet somewhere really inconvenient. But those are both dumb reasons not to even apply, right? Presumably my job will be less wacko shortly.