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Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 15, 2014 6:03:15 am PDT #8215 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The Pain Test: Doctors have no idea how much their patients are suffering. That's about to change.

Please tell me it works by inflicting equivalent pain on the doctor so they can judge the proper treatment - I look forward to the ER docs greenlighting ita's treatment from adjoining beds!


Steph L. - Oct 15, 2014 6:17:37 am PDT #8216 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The Pain Test: Doctors have no idea how much their patients are suffering. That's about to change.

Please tell me it works by inflicting equivalent pain on the doctor so they can judge the proper treatment

I was, for real, hoping that's what this would be about.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: doctors who refuse to properly treat pain are guilty of malpractice and shouldn't be allowed to see any patients. That's fucking barbaric.


Connie Neil - Oct 15, 2014 6:24:12 am PDT #8217 of 30000
brillig

Pain is such a hard thing to judge. I've seen people pinch their finger in a drawer and scream for ten minutes, and I've seen Hubby only wince and bite his lip at kidney stones. I would have to leave the room before he would admit to a doctor how much pain he was really in, because he categorically could not bring himself to admit weakness in front of me. I don't know if doctors would even believe objective tests if they realized how much pain stoic people let themselves endure.


Steph L. - Oct 15, 2014 6:29:23 am PDT #8218 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

In retrospect, I guess I should consider myself lucky that my doctor treated my back pain (in the 6 weeks running up to my surgery) instead of calling me a drug seeker. Although that was 11 years ago, and the medical landscape has changed a LOT since then. Maybe if it happened today I would get labelled a drug seeker. (Although I have such a long relationship with my doctor, I feel fairly confident that he knows me well enough to know my reactions to pain are for real AND to know I'm not a drug seeker. But maybe not. Who knows?)

I will say that my dad's doctors are good about treating his chronic pain (the man takes enough oxycodone in one dose to kill someone who's never taken it before, for real), so I can't complain on that front, either. But just because we both were lucky doesn't mean other people are.


Laura - Oct 15, 2014 6:31:24 am PDT #8219 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

The Pain Test: Doctors have no idea how much their patients are suffering. That's about to change.

Such a complex issue. We all know people that have zero pain tolerance (raises hand), and others that shock doctors when they discover conditions that should render them incapacitated. Doctors have to deal with all out drug seekers, and those that won't fess up to the existence of pain. If they don't even know the patient it is that much harder.

It would be so very helpful if an objective measure becomes a reality.


sarameg - Oct 15, 2014 6:39:52 am PDT #8220 of 30000

Time to paint! Also, I smell like a a swamp. And I'm out of Gatorade.


Theodosia - Oct 15, 2014 6:41:19 am PDT #8221 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

We're just at the stage where scientifically speaking, we're learning more about pain, thanks to things like fmRI scanners that have shown there is no "pain center" in the brain, which is why treating it is so fraught. One study compared people with cervical degeneration -- by the Xray pictures, they had exactly the same degree of damage, but the pain they experienced from it differed radically.


shrift - Oct 15, 2014 6:42:54 am PDT #8222 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Shit I'm not saying:

If the question you're asking over and over is going unanswered, rather than harassing people to answer it, maybe you should consider that your question makes no sense and we can't figure out what you're actually asking.


-t - Oct 15, 2014 6:46:59 am PDT #8223 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So, my calendar at work is put out by the Humane Society, pictures of dogs and cats every month. It's pleasant. This month I find particularly restful, and I just now figured out why - the dog is posing in front of bookshelves, and while the dog doesn't remind me of Walter or any of the dogs from my past, the books on the bookshelves could totally be mine - Dune, and Star Trek novels, paperbacks stacked up on their side next to hardbacks in series order. It's homey.


-t - Oct 15, 2014 6:56:38 am PDT #8224 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So I have this idea that we should hire ourselves out to the state of California, and we'll just drive around the state, getting groceries in every town and thus causing it to rain. We'll be hailed as goddamn heroes.

That's a great idea! We could pay tribute with vegetarian and gluten-free treats.