Mal: So we run. Nandi: I understand, Captain Reynolds. You have your people to think of, same as me. And this ain't your fight. Mal: Don't believe you do understand, Nandi. I said 'we run'. We.

'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 73: Chuck Norris only wishes he could Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - May 15, 2015 12:59:17 pm PDT #26485 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I object to the death penalty because too often convictions are racist and/or classist, and too often we convict the wrong person. Also because I believe in the possibility of redemption, as long as they can't go on hurting people while we're waiting for their spiritual epiphany. But there are people I really want out of society, off the planet, and preferably out of the gene pool, and it's hard in certain horrible cases not to think, "Yeah... just shoot 'em."

On a totally different subject, I too am wearing a maxi dress, only because yoga pants and the t-shirt I slept in were too hot. I hate hot humid summers, and this one has started way too early. It's only May; it shouldn't be 78 degrees F and 55% humidity already. As I do every summer, I'm wishing I'd bought a house in the PNW instead.

I have gone to the grocery store and CVS, and was feeling real good about adulting until I remembered I forgot to file my state taxes. They owe me money, maybe they won't care? I don't even know when the deadline was/is. Also don't know where the paperwork is. Good job, Self.


brenda m - May 15, 2015 2:13:56 pm PDT #26486 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I helped my sister move. And juggled like 9000 conference calls.


Calli - May 15, 2015 2:21:02 pm PDT #26487 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I reviewed a Coursera course and wrote an internal blog post about it. Which meant I rolled through a four week course in seven hours. Good thing it was short and interesting (pedagogy in art class).

ETA: And, ya know, I spent most of yesterday and today feeling pretty happy with life. Plenty of things I'd like to change, both personally and globally, but on the whole these were a good couple of days. I don't think I've felt this generally positive for a long time. [Looks around for incoming asteroid]


Dana - May 15, 2015 2:24:26 pm PDT #26488 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I agree with what everyone said about the racism and the classism and the general dodginess. Not really about the redemption, though.

But then my lizard brain takes over.


shrift - May 15, 2015 2:32:42 pm PDT #26489 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I went to a Cubs game, drank some beers, then left during the seventh-inning stretch and walked home. I picked up some groceries and made tacos. I'm going to try to relax this weekend and not spend the entire time flipping out like a mammal over career stuff. I'm going to brunch tomorrow and we're gathering somewhere for hockey on Sunday, so that should help.


Typo Boy - May 15, 2015 2:49:55 pm PDT #26490 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My reasons to oppose the death penalty are a little different. I think that killing people, even if it is the worst person on earth, a Tsarnaev or a Manson (who after all is still alive) is wrong. Because in my opinion, any time a society kills somebody it diminishes that society. Killing somebody harms the killer (Unless they are somebody who has already fallen so low they are beyond being harmed.) I'm not a pacifist. I think there are times when self-defense leaves killing the least worst choice. But even those times hurt the person who does it. I mean of course we get tremendous PSTD from unjust wars like - well quite honestly almost every war the USA has been in since WWII. But quite a few soldiers came back from WWII broken. "Just War" may make the price paid necessary. But it does not diminish that price. There is some evidence that killing another human is an inherently traumatic experience - maybe baked into our biology. (I am always very suspicious of evolutionary psychology - even when it reinforces my prejudices; too many just-so stories. But there is as good evidence for this as for components of any other aspect of human behavior.)

Thus, killing should be limited to the cases where basically society has no other way to keep the person from doing harm - to immediate threats. Once someone is imprisoned, they are no longer a threat. There are no real life Hannibal Lectors or supervillains - killers who no prison can hold. Locking up the bad guys keeps us safe enough. The satisfaction of revenge and the small chance that they might escape is not worth the harm to us of killing them. My opposition to the death penalty is selfish; I think it makes the world a worse place to live in.

And it is no accident that it is usually unjust in practice. Having a death penalty is part of what makes us a more callous society, ready to act on our prejudices and worst instincts. I'm not claiming it is the main cause; but it is a damn good reinforcing factor in something that has a multitude of causes.


sj - May 15, 2015 2:53:47 pm PDT #26491 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I'm with Typo Boy in my reasoning. And I'm disappointed that a jury from my state would reach this decision.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 15, 2015 2:54:17 pm PDT #26492 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I object to the death penalty because too often convictions are racist and/or classist, and too often we convict the wrong person. Also because I believe in the possibility of redemption, as long as they can't go on hurting people while we're waiting for their spiritual epiphany. But there are people I really want out of society, off the planet, and preferably out of the gene pool, and it's hard in certain horrible cases not to think, "Yeah... just shoot 'em."

Yeah. In general I oppose the death penalty for its lack of effectiveness as a deterrent and the chance of it being applied wrongfully (the brother of a former co-worker was framed for murder and spent like 14 years in prison before his conviction was overturned—with evidence the warden knew about and was sitting on). I'm also willing to admit some possibility of redemption for people who actually commit a murder. But for ones who kill masses of innocent people they don't even know, like Tsarnaev, or proven serial killers where there's no room for doubt, exterminating them removes the risk of them ever killing a prison staffer or another felon who's not a remorseless husk of a human being.


-t - May 15, 2015 3:20:41 pm PDT #26493 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Because in my opinion, any time a society kills somebody it diminishes that society.

Yeah, that's the main basis for my opinion, as well.


sarameg - May 15, 2015 3:36:51 pm PDT #26494 of 30000

Before I even approach addressing whether killing is even philosophically in accordance with justice, I find killing as a part of the institution of the system of justice problematic. It's based on the premise (to a degree) of revocability. It's a system, not true justice in the philosophical or arguably moral sense. And dead is pretty irrevocable. True justice allows no moral standing to the defense, and that's just unworkable when dealing with human wobbliness.